6959 Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 'County Hall' or 'The 15 That Got Away'. I particularly like GWR and WR 4-6-0s but there are never enough so I extend my interest to projects that were not built. In Backtrack volume 14 number 4 of April 2000 there is mention of GWR Lot 359 for 15-off Hall class with County boiler. The author of the article suggests they were sanctioned but later cancelled. Other Swindon Lot numbers for GWR locomotive production about this time were: 350 6959 - 6970 Modified Hall 460 A.14.15 1944 351 8430 - 8439 8F 280 O 1944 LMS 8F design 352 4661 - 4699 57xx 060T B.73.75 1943 - 5 " 9600 - 9621 57xx 060T B.73.75 1945 353 8440 - 8489 8F 280 O 1944 - 5 LMS 8F design, last 10 engines not built 354 1000 - 1019 County 460 A.16.17.21 1945 - 6 355 9622 - 9641 57xx 060T B.73.75 1945 - 6 356 9642 - 9651 57xx 060T B.73.75 1946 357 5098 - 5099 Castle 460 A.18 1946 " 7000 - 7007 Castle 460 A.18 1946 358 1020 - 1029 County 460 A.16 1946 - 7 359 NOT ISSUED (proposed Hall with County boiler - not built - cancelled) 360 3200 - 3219 2251 060 A.27.29.33 1946 - 8 361 4150 - 4159 Prairie 262T A.9 1947 362 9652 - 9661 57xx 060T B.73.75 1946 " 6750 - 6759 57xx 060T B.73.75 1947 363 15101 - 15106 D.E. 060 E.I.C.E 1948 364 15107 D.E. 0-6-0 D.I.C.E 1949 365 9400 - 9409 94xx 060T B.78.79 1947 366 6971 - 6990 Modified Hall 460 A.14.15 1947 - 8 Over the years I have bought too many Dapol/ Hornby Counties and Replica/ Bachmann Modified Halls but am loathe to part with any - buying is much easier than selling but 'pack-rat-itis' has set in. Just for fun, I sawed up two loco's and put a Dapol 'County' class boiler onto a Replica Railways 'Modified Hall' running plate and chassis. It is not glued together yet and the shade of green varies. Some pictures of it in case anyone else shares a similar interest. Regarding the picture brightness - my screen is set dark for night time use so if pictures are too dark or too light for general viewing I will resubmit them. Some feedback regarding this would be helpful. In 1941 there was a similar proposal to fit an 8F boiler onto a Hall chassis so I am looking for a donor of a recent Hornby 8F body to saw up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 A very interesting project. These might have Beens can add something a bit extra to any layout. That boiler looks just right. I've seen in a few books before the county came out the initial plans for a high running frame (black 5 chassis with out side valve gear) county boiler Plate frame bogie hawksworth tender. That would make an interesting model. GW looks with maintenance friendly accessibility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidR Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I was intersted to read and see what a great job you'd done on the two loco's - an unusual concept. Congratulations! I think it was in 1949, that Fred Hawksworth was proposing to fit a 'Merchant Navy' boiler to a 'King', having digested the MN boiler output data from the 1948 Interchange Trials. Now there's a modelling challenge! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6959 Posted September 26, 2011 Author Share Posted September 26, 2011 I was interested to read and see what a great job you'd done on the two loco's - an unusual concept. Congratulations! I think it was in 1949, that Fred Hawksworth was proposing to fit a 'Merchant Navy' boiler to a 'King', having digested the MN boiler output data from the 1948 Interchange Trials. Now there's a modelling challenge! Thanks for the snippet about the Merchant Navy boiler. I heard it mentioned before but assumed it was a likely boiler for a GWR pacific. There are several models around based on a variation of an LMS Princess chassis with King engine powered by a Duchess boiler. I thought of building one of these but when heard about the GWR's liking for a Merchany Navy boiler, I digressed to building a GWR pacific with an MN boiler and using a Hornby MN rewheeled with spokes instead. The MN and its boiler look shorter than a Duchess/ Princess derived setup and could be made to work. The main problem with all these big loco's is that they are nudging the limits of the loading gauge, especially with a GWR safety valve bonnet atop. This can be seen on the 4700 class with number 7 boiler which has a unique, very short chimney. The Southern Railway used a stepped down or smaller smokebox that was the same size as the actual boiler. The GWR and LMS tended to have a hoop on the small end of the boiler barrel so the smokebox could be the same size as the cleading (cladding) over the asbestos lagging. I am building up a folder on my PC of useful bits that might be incorporated into a fictitious GWR pacific model with an MN boiler. The chances of picking up a Hornby MN cheaply on ebay are a daydream. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 .....I am looking for a donor of a recent Hornby 8F body to saw up. I think many 8F bodies are being squirreled away for Stanier Mogul projects..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfy Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Comet do Hornby 8f bodies for £3.50. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Taz Posted October 8, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2011 Is the older version Hornby 8F boiler (as sold by Comet) an accurate molding? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfy Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Now that I don't know. I wasn't aware there were two types. I know it is the basis of the top half of Comet's 8F kit, so I would assume it is farily accurate, but I couldn't say for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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