ess1uk Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Bridge work at Kettering to start soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Bridge work at Kettering to start soon. Which bridge? Further up, piling did start either side of Storefield bridge but seems to have ground to a halt after a dozen or so were installed on the down side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold geoff Posted July 15, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 15, 2017 Which bridge? Further up, piling did start either side of Storefield bridge but seems to have ground to a halt after a dozen or so were installed on the down side. The only road overbridges near Kettering I can think of which have not been addressed are Station Road, Burton Latimer and a farm occupation bridge between Isham and the former Finedon station site. There are bridges near Wellingborough which have not yet been addressed, Finedon Road and Bush bridge near Harrowden Junction. Other than that there is Cottingham Road bridge immediately north of Corby Station, virtually on the platform end. Other bridges are on the main line such as Pipewell Road Rushton. There is bridge work ongoing on the Manton line but it involves the under bridge near Geddington station and there is still some work being done on the Oakley viaduct, but on the outside from a hydraulic platform. There is a scheduled road closure in Northampton Road, Kettering for strengthening and repair work on the rail over bridge there which will cause untold chaos to the already overloaded road system in the town! Geoff Strengthening and repair work on Bridge GSM1-7 Newton Road Bridge Newton Road, Great Oakley, Corby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Northampton Road was the bridge I meant. Avoid for 6 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher125 Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Which bridge? Further up, piling did start either side of Storefield bridge but seems to have ground to a halt after a dozen or so were installed on the down side. Is that the only piling they've done on the whole route? Perhaps the Sunday Times article saying that Corby wiring was in doubt had a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Is that the only piling they've done on the whole route? Perhaps the Sunday Times article saying that Corby wiring was in doubt had a point. Theres a couple on the down side near the old Kettering Furnaces bridge and the ones that were installed North of Bedford in 2014-15, but nothing more. Theres a stock of piles and some pile driving kit in a compound on the up side South of Great Oakley, this was used during the doubling works to Corby but has recently been expanded and a new trackside access installed. There is some electrical work going on as well, what looks to be the buildings for the substations at Kettering are well underway and one at Great Oakley is progressing which I believe will feed this section, theres a national grid line passes here which I presume will connect into it. Further South, works have started between Harrowden and Wymington, appears to be sheet piling to support the embankments so presumably in connection with double track work on the slow line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 I was told the other day that piling will start soon and go right through to Manton and Market Harborough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted July 17, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 17, 2017 I saw a report in Railway Magazine that work on the re-alignment at Market Harborough has started so maybe things are getting going. Jamie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) Work started recently on a car park to the east of the line at Market Harborough, and some tree clearance on the other side where the line and platforms are being re-aligned through the current car park to ease the curve and create straight platforms. However I think this is a separate project and doesn't necessarily indicate progress on the electrification itself. Edited July 17, 2017 by Edwin_m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Seems as though stopping the wires at Kettering is gaining ground this will make Sheffield citizens rather angry ,according to DAFT bimodes are the answer .Not a good time for commuters in Sheffield waiting for tram trains either as the delay id due to getting the right cateniary what a cock up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Theres a couple on the down side near the old Kettering Furnaces bridge and the ones that were installed North of Bedford in 2014-15, but nothing more. Theres a stock of piles and some pile driving kit in a compound on the up side South of Great Oakley, this was used during the doubling works to Corby but has recently been expanded and a new trackside access installed. There is some electrical work going on as well, what looks to be the buildings for the substations at Kettering are well underway and one at Great Oakley is progressing which I believe will feed this section, theres a national grid line passes here which I presume will connect into it. Further South, works have started between Harrowden and Wymington, appears to be sheet piling to support the embankments so presumably in connection with double track work on the slow line. Work over the weekend has seen piling almost complete on the down side most of the way from Storefield Bridge, South to Glendon Iron Co Bridge and has recommenced North towards Geddington. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 so if HS2 is now going through Chesterfield and into Sheffield i guess they will be electrified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted July 19, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 19, 2017 so if HS2 is now going through Chesterfield and into Sheffield i guess they will be electrified? Yes they will have to be from near Clay Cross through to north of Sheffield. It would thus make sense to do the rest of the Erewash valley to Trent to give a diversionary route. However when did sense ever come into such things. Jamie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 HS2 has costed only for electrification from where they join the Erewash line up to somewhere around Clay Cross, so they are assuming the main line via Derby and Chesterfield has been electrified in the meantime. This is a committed scheme but currently in some doubt due to overspend on GW electrification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Thanks to new bi-mode technology, disruptive electrification works will "no longer be needed", the Department for Transport has said. Translation: New trains will use electric as far north as Kettering, then switch to (presumably) diesel after that. The new trains will be ready in 2022, sooner than electrification had been pushed back. This is going to come as a big disappointment to business groups and council leaders in the East Midlands, who feared this might happen. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-derbyshire-40653682?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_east_midlands_today&ns_linkname=english_regions&ns_fee=0#post_5970740ce4b0a604bcaff46f Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 20, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 20, 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-derbyshire-40653682?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_east_midlands_today&ns_linkname=english_regions&ns_fee=0#post_5970740ce4b0a604bcaff46f As well as other projects! Oxenholme to Windermere is not now going to be electrified as bi-mode trains can be used?????? What! The idea was a fill in to enable the existing electric train fleet to be used rather than running a diesel under the wires. Where is the bi-mode coming from? Another variation of a class 800 for high density routes? The muddled thinking at DafT gets worse Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted July 20, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 20, 2017 As well as other projects! Oxenholme to Windermere is not now going to be electrified as bi-mode trains can be used?????? What! The idea was a fill in to enable the existing electric train fleet to be used rather than running a diesel under the wires. Where is the bi-mode coming from? Another variation of a class 800 for high density routes? The muddled thinking at DafT gets worse Keith They are going to use the converted 319's running n diesel from Oxenholme they are apparently going to be re classified as 769's. Jamie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted July 20, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) So Midland electrification is going to be like the famous curates egg. St Pancras to Kettering then Trent to north of Sheffield on the direct route with bi mode needed to get to Nottingham and Derby and back to Clay Cross. Then diesel from north of Sheffield to South Kirkby and electric on to Leeds. Not a very good result. Jamie Edited July 20, 2017 by jamie92208 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 20, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 20, 2017 They are going to use the converted 319's running n diesel from Oxenholme they are apparently going to be re classified as 769's. Jamie What a cobble job. Wouldn't a better solution be battery-electric conversions? Modern compact battery technology makes this a worthwhile option You could even have a charging point in Windermere station used during turnround to top up the battery ready for the journey back to Oxenholme. Keith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted July 20, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 20, 2017 Sub-optimal is one description. Pi55 poor. Is another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 A sad but totally predictable outcome to the idea that we could go from no electrification for 30 years to wiring half the network with 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted July 20, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 20, 2017 What a cobble job. Wouldn't a better solution be battery-electric conversions? Modern compact battery technology makes this a worthwhile option You could even have a charging point in Windermere station used during turnround to top up the battery ready for the journey back to Oxenholme. Surely we're getting to the stage where it makes more sense all round for small self-contained branches? Might be easier to charge at Oxenholme though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 From the governments statement "The next operator will be required to deliver modern, fast and efficient trains. This includes a brand new fleet of bi-mode intercity trains from 2022, delivering more seats and comfort for long-distance passengers. The provision of these trains will replace plans to electrify the line north of Kettering to Sheffield and Nottingham, improving journeys sooner, without the need for wires and masts on the whole route, and causing less disruption to services. We do not intend to proceed with plans to electrify the line from Kettering to Sheffield and Nottingham" https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/rail-update-bi-mode-train-technology Bi-mode for commuter lines in north west will be class 319 flex (class 769 after conversion) which is a 4 car EDMU with 2 diesel power packs fitted to give similar performacd to a 4 car class 150 DMU but still pantograph fitted for use under the wires. Someone somewhere is also rumoured to be looking at fitting battery power packs to the new class 331CAF emus for short branches such as Windermere. On the MML the key issue is apparently that the wires & power supplies south of Kettering won't support full electric intercity service nor 125mph running so bi-mode would really be straight diesel unless they do upgrades. There is still the problem of fitting the MML timetable around the Thameslink 24tph plan. I think what this does confirm is that large numbers of ex-BR emu will be going for scrap over the next 3 years and that will include some very good fleets such as the 321s and maybe even 365s as there will be no new wires to run them under and no older fleets for them to replace. You also have to wonder who / where can take the class 360 and 379 fleets (assuming that the 707 fleets stay on the Southern 3rd rail network). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 I wonder if there is also the little issue of power production - there was recently an article about how many power stations we need to keep charging all these electric motor vehicles and lots more wire at 25Kv is going to offer similar challenges. If supply/demand is going to be marginal why not manage down the demand - that seems to be the policy today - don't invest just stop stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Western Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) More Class 800s then for Midland Mainline, at least it keeps the boys and girls up North in jobs. Edited July 20, 2017 by Great Western Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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