trisonic Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 I thought it looked alright, Adrian. They've grown over the years and at least it looks like an all wire construction, like the early ones.... Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 (edited) The ones I recall from my childhood were quite large, but more recently ('80s - '90s) you began to see smaller carts in the medium sized stores. There were small carts in small stores, but they weren't as common. Based on http://www.hobbylinc...sr/psr29095.htm the Preiser cart looks awfully small. The ones that got stolen and dumped tended to be the ones that you could carry a reasonable amount of stuff in (a dozen cases of beer, 4-5 teens, your worldly possessions, etc...). Besides, the GMM one would be the easiest to put the prototypical dents in... Edit. The other major factor is that the small ones (in drug stores etc) tended to be for internal use only - you carried your bags out to the car. The bigger ones were for indoor and outdoor use (you transported the weeks groceries out to your car in them, and then either left them randomly in the parking lot or pushed them in the general directon of the collection point). Trolley boys then collected them and returned them to the cart ranks at the entrance doors. Adrian Edited September 12, 2012 by Adrian Wintle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 (edited) Yeah but he is modelling the inner city not the 'burbs. Where small Bodega's rule. Best, Pete. Edited September 12, 2012 by trisonic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
long island jack Posted September 12, 2012 Author Share Posted September 12, 2012 Found this photo of a trolly in the 50's which looks small, think it will be easier to get hold of the Preiser ones,it's the illusion i'm trying to create,don't think anyone will notice the size difference!! Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted September 12, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 12, 2012 What!! You sure its got the correct amount of rivets or not?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
long island jack Posted September 12, 2012 Author Share Posted September 12, 2012 I think there a all welded construction!!!,modeling all those old tin can is going to be the problem!!!!! Life to short for that and there's so much beer to drink,no brainer there!!!!! Ray 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
long island jack Posted September 13, 2012 Author Share Posted September 13, 2012 Done the last building, "US Pencils",well there maybe a woodchip silo to go with it,not sure yet? The "new layout" will be shutting down for a while (i can here you cheering),i've got a exhibition to organize. Workington 17/18 November,19 layouts, 14 traders +plus societies Come along and support us if you can May pop in now and then to keep a eye on you all,and with any up dates,but if i don;t will be back after exhibition over and out for now Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted September 13, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 13, 2012 (edited) I hope you didn't upset the kids pinching their colouring pencils! Edited September 13, 2012 by roundhouse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 (edited) At one point I had a piece of advertising showing how pencils were made (I got it in the '70s, and I have no idea if I still have it), and IIRC there wouldn't be woodchips per se. Sawdust, yes, so there would likely be some form of exhaust fans feeding a small silo (loose sawdust is an explosion risk). Whether there would be enough volume of sawdust to take it away in rail cars? I don't know. Adrian Edited September 18, 2012 by Adrian Wintle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
long island jack Posted September 18, 2012 Author Share Posted September 18, 2012 Just a quick up date The name of the layout as you can see by the caption is "59th AND RUST" Ray 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
long island jack Posted September 19, 2012 Author Share Posted September 19, 2012 Got a photo's of the Erie local crossing Rust st,just before my camera packed up,"focus error" tried everything to clear it,looks like i'm shopping for a new camera at the weekend. SWMBO will love that,she knows how i hate shopping (other than for railroad stuff) Ray 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
long island jack Posted September 19, 2012 Author Share Posted September 19, 2012 (edited) Couple of questions for you guys over the pond or anyone in the no. Looking down Rust st to 59th,the sidewalk seems a bit bare, would there be trash bins and fire hydrants on a small back street ? what type of road signs would i need ? Camera started working again surprising what a tap with a hammer can do!!!! Ray Edited September 19, 2012 by long island jack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 (edited) A guess - but likely trash bins/rubbish/dumpsters - not hydrants in back alley areas nIf it is confimed you could have a garbage dollection wagon in there One of these http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_nkw=boley+garbage+truck&LH_PrefLoc=2&_arm=1&_armm=63&_ruu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3Dboley%2Bgarbage%2Btruck%26_arr%3D1&LH_AvailTo=3 Edited September 19, 2012 by shortliner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 (edited) On a back alley like that there likely wouldn't be fire hydrants. You almost certainly would see garbage cans and/or a dumpster*, plus piled garbage (in more modern times the ubiquitous green garbage bag) and cardboard. As you have residents in your tenements, they might also use it for parking (legal or otherwise) - think lower quality cars**. This is also where the discarded shopping cart might be found. Signage would probably be limited. No Parking (or parking restriction) signs would probably be attached flat on the building sides, 6-8' up. There would almost certainly be no signposts except at the street end of the alley (of course there are exceptions for anything). The other thing there might be are electrical/phone connections to the buildings. * if there is a dumpster, think how the truck would access it to pick it up. **a Fresh Cherries Bobcat http://www.walthers....ctinfo/467-8006 or Hornet might be appropriate for the late '70s/early '80s , Escort or Tempo for the mid '80s. Edit: Here are a couple of pictures from Philadelphia in 2010. They are a somewhat more upmarket area than yours, but may give some ideas. Note the alley does have a signpost, but that is a newish parking garage on the left. Adrian Edited September 19, 2012 by Adrian Wintle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted September 19, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 19, 2012 Hi all, How about an early Dumpster truck with bins? Seem to remember seeing them in the films going back to the 50's so would expect to see this. I've found quite a lot of interesting photos on this website http://pinterest.com/gigistoll/street-cred/ I'm sure I've seen a photo book about 1950's to 60's New York with this sort of thing in it as well. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Ray - if buying "Fresh Cherries" cars on Ebay - make sure of the scale - they also made some in 1:64 ! Also a change of name - currently "Sweet Cherries" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 (edited) Also, take a look at period movies - e.g. 'The Blues Brothers' has some wonderful inner city shots... Adrian Edited September 19, 2012 by Adrian Wintle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 I haven't used these people, but they have a fair range of 1:87 vehicles http://www.fidelismodels.com/category/First_Time_Visitors.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
long island jack Posted September 19, 2012 Author Share Posted September 19, 2012 Cheers guys for all the feed back,there's plenty to be going on with. What i need is vehicles that would be about between 1965/70 so i don't have to buy vehicles for each railroad theme,the road is only 15" long don't want to over crowd it with to many vehicles(2 or 3) like the idea of illegal park car or burnt out car,garbage bins,rubbish. would there be any railroad signs ? Adrian power/telphone cables was my next question, how would they get to the buildings,would they follow the railroad,how high would the poles be,baring in mind i will have to get in between them to clean the track now and then,will have to plan where they go so as not to damage them. do i have to watch the blues brothers again :no: one of my all time favourite films,but if i must in the name of research! Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 (edited) If you can get one, the Fresh Cherries 1970 Maverick might fit the bill (it is still current at Walthers), or possibly the Model Power 1963 Thunderbird. Otherwise there doesn't seem to be a lot of choice that is currently available. The Brekina 1964 Dodge Van is an option. You have more choice if your era slips to the mid-70s. There might be some railroad signs, but not much more than this (rural town setting): Power and phone could be underground, and would follow the city streets rather than the railroad What you would see is the retrofit wiring on the outside of your tenements (see photo in the post above). You might also find a stack/riser on one side of the alley with wires strung across the alley to the other side for telephone (saves the phone co from having to put an access and distribution point for every building). Electricity would likely be fed into each building separately, and possibly underground. With underground utilities there would be a variety of access covers in the sidewalks (easier to dig up than a cobbled road). Also you might want a storm drain or two. Edit: You might see wiring parallel to the railroad - it might be strung from brackets on the sides of the buildings. I'd suggest keeping it simple and assuming most of the wring is underground. Edit #2. Doors would likely have lamps over them as there likely isn't any street lighting in the back areas. Adrian Edited September 19, 2012 by Adrian Wintle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 (edited) Maverick here - http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/mmx/mmx8013.htm Thunderbird here in UK Red(only one in stock)- http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ford-Thunderbird-Model-Ready-made-Power/dp/B004V8UHJQ and white (Only 1 in stock) http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ford-Thunderbird-white-Model-Ready-made/dp/B004V8UID6 Google search shows up several from US suppliers Brekina Dodge van Item number: 350596707882 0n ebay postage is a bu99er but a search will bring up others Amazon uk - mostly continental but several posibilities for the period you want, page through http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=1-87+cars&tag=googhydr-21&index=toys&hvadid=12564956288&hvpos=1o1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13568491751334160386&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&ref=pd_sl_84z8nxjyye_b Edited September 19, 2012 by shortliner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 New York has had its utilities underground for scores of years since some particularly nasty accidents involving AC power and naked power lines....read anything about Tesla/Westinghouse vs Edison. Get some nice etched manhole covers! Big American water run off drain grids/grills. Actually there are quite a few hydrants around tenements but on the road side of the buildings. Public Phones are a must for the era and plenty of them...... Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 (edited) Actually there are quite a few hydrants around tenements but on the road side of the buildings. Each building would likely have a set of fire hose connections to allow the fire department to feed the sprinkler system etc. These would likely be on the main street side of the buildings, but you might see some down the back. This does assume that the building has sprinklers etc, which isn't a given in your time period (especially for the converted industrial buildings). They would be where a big fire truck could get close Public Phones are a must for the era and plenty of them....... But not necessarily down the back alleys. Possibly at the street corner at the end of the alley. I also noticed the Model Power 1969 Olds 442 in the hobbylinc link that Shortliner gave - that is another option. Adrian Edited September 19, 2012 by Adrian Wintle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewC Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Maverick here - http://www.hobbylinc...mmx/mmx8013.htm Now that brings back memories. I took my driving test in a 77 Mercury Comet, which was more or less identical to the 77 Ford Maverick. My cousin had a 70 Maverick. Fast, but like most American cars, steered like a cow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted September 19, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 19, 2012 how about some steam coming out of manhole covers..I remember seeing this in Manhattan some years ago butnot seen it in more recent visits Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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