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The ones I recall from my childhood were quite large, but more recently ('80s - '90s) you began to see smaller carts in the medium sized stores. There were small carts in small stores, but they weren't as common. Based on http://www.hobbylinc...sr/psr29095.htm the Preiser cart looks awfully small. The ones that got stolen and dumped tended to be the ones that you could carry a reasonable amount of stuff in (a dozen cases of beer, 4-5 teens, your worldly possessions, etc...).

 

Besides, the GMM one would be the easiest to put the prototypical dents in...

 

Edit. The other major factor is that the small ones (in drug stores etc) tended to be for internal use only - you carried your bags out to the car. The bigger ones were for indoor and outdoor use (you transported the weeks groceries out to your car in them, and then either left them randomly in the parking lot or pushed them in the general directon of the collection point). Trolley boys then collected them and returned them to the cart ranks at the entrance doors.

 

Adrian

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Done the last building, "US Pencils",well there maybe a woodchip silo to go with it,not sure yet?

 

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The "new layout" will be shutting down for a while (i can here you cheering),i've got a exhibition to organize.

 

Workington 17/18 November,19 layouts, 14 traders +plus societies

 

Come along and support us if you can

 

May pop in now and then to keep a eye on you all,and with any up dates,but if i don;t will be back after exhibition

over and out for now

 

Ray

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At one point I had a piece of advertising showing how pencils were made (I got it in the '70s, and I have no idea if I still have it), and IIRC there wouldn't be woodchips per se. Sawdust, yes, so there would likely be some form of exhaust fans feeding a small silo (loose sawdust is an explosion risk). Whether there would be enough volume of sawdust to take it away in rail cars? I don't know.

 

Adrian

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Couple of questions for you guys over the pond or anyone in the no.

 

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Looking down Rust st to 59th,the sidewalk seems a bit bare,

 

would there be trash bins and fire hydrants on a small back street ?

 

what type of road signs would i need ?

 

Camera started working again surprising what a tap with a hammer can do!!!!

 

Ray

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A guess - but likely trash bins/rubbish/dumpsters - not hydrants in back alley areas nIf it is confimed you could have a garbage dollection wagon in there

One of these http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_nkw=boley+garbage+truck&LH_PrefLoc=2&_arm=1&_armm=63&_ruu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3Dboley%2Bgarbage%2Btruck%26_arr%3D1&LH_AvailTo=3

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On a back alley like that there likely wouldn't be fire hydrants. You almost certainly would see garbage cans and/or a dumpster*, plus piled garbage (in more modern times the ubiquitous green garbage bag) and cardboard. As you have residents in your tenements, they might also use it for parking (legal or otherwise) - think lower quality cars**. This is also where the discarded shopping cart might be found.

 

Signage would probably be limited. No Parking (or parking restriction) signs would probably be attached flat on the building sides, 6-8' up. There would almost certainly be no signposts except at the street end of the alley (of course there are exceptions for anything).

 

The other thing there might be are electrical/phone connections to the buildings.

 

* if there is a dumpster, think how the truck would access it to pick it up.

 

**a Fresh Cherries Bobcat http://www.walthers....ctinfo/467-8006 or Hornet might be appropriate for the late '70s/early '80s , Escort or Tempo for the mid '80s.

 

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Here are a couple of pictures from Philadelphia in 2010. They are a somewhat more upmarket area than yours, but may give some ideas. Note the alley does have a signpost, but that is a newish parking garage on the left.

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Adrian

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Hi all,

 

How about an early Dumpster truck with bins?

 

Seem to remember seeing them in the films going back to the 50's so would expect to see this.

 

I've found quite a lot of interesting photos on this website

 

http://pinterest.com/gigistoll/street-cred/

 

I'm sure I've seen a photo book about 1950's to 60's New York with this sort of thing in it as well.

 

Thanks

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Cheers guys for all the feed back,there's plenty to be going on with.

 

What i need is vehicles that would be about between 1965/70 so i don't have to buy vehicles for each railroad theme,the road is only 15" long don't want to over crowd it with to many vehicles(2 or 3)

 

like the idea of illegal park car or burnt out car,garbage bins,rubbish.

 

would there be any railroad signs ?

 

Adrian

power/telphone cables was my next question, how would they get to the buildings,would they follow the railroad,how high would the poles be,baring in mind i will have to get in between them to clean the track now and then,will have to plan where they go so as not to damage them.

 

do i have to watch the blues brothers again :no: :no: one of my all time favourite films,but if i must in the name of research!

 

Ray

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If you can get one, the Fresh Cherries 1970 Maverick might fit the bill (it is still current at Walthers), or possibly the Model Power 1963 Thunderbird. Otherwise there doesn't seem to be a lot of choice that is currently available. The Brekina 1964 Dodge Van is an option. You have more choice if your era slips to the mid-70s.

 

There might be some railroad signs, but not much more than this (rural town setting):

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Power and phone could be underground, and would follow the city streets rather than the railroad What you would see is the retrofit wiring on the outside of your tenements (see photo in the post above). You might also find a stack/riser on one side of the alley with wires strung across the alley to the other side for telephone (saves the phone co from having to put an access and distribution point for every building). Electricity would likely be fed into each building separately, and possibly underground. With underground utilities there would be a variety of access covers in the sidewalks (easier to dig up than a cobbled road). Also you might want a storm drain or two.

 

Edit: You might see wiring parallel to the railroad - it might be strung from brackets on the sides of the buildings. I'd suggest keeping it simple and assuming most of the wring is underground.

 

Edit #2. Doors would likely have lamps over them as there likely isn't any street lighting in the back areas.

 

Adrian

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Maverick here - http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/mmx/mmx8013.htm

Thunderbird here in UK Red(only one in stock)- http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ford-Thunderbird-Model-Ready-made-Power/dp/B004V8UHJQ

and white (Only 1 in stock) http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ford-Thunderbird-white-Model-Ready-made/dp/B004V8UID6

Google search shows up several from US suppliers

Brekina Dodge van Item number: 350596707882 0n ebay postage is a bu99er but a search will bring up others

Amazon uk - mostly continental but several posibilities for the period you want, page through

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=1-87+cars&tag=googhydr-21&index=toys&hvadid=12564956288&hvpos=1o1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13568491751334160386&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&ref=pd_sl_84z8nxjyye_b

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New York has had its utilities underground for scores of years since some particularly nasty accidents involving AC power and naked power lines....read anything about Tesla/Westinghouse vs Edison. Get some nice etched manhole covers! Big American water run off drain grids/grills. Actually there are quite a few hydrants around tenements but on the road side of the buildings. Public Phones are a must for the era and plenty of them......

 

Best, Pete.

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Actually there are quite a few hydrants around tenements but on the road side of the buildings.

 

Each building would likely have a set of fire hose connections to allow the fire department to feed the sprinkler system etc. These would likely be on the main street side of the buildings, but you might see some down the back. This does assume that the building has sprinklers etc, which isn't a given in your time period (especially for the converted industrial buildings). They would be where a big fire truck could get close

 

Public Phones are a must for the era and plenty of them.......

 

But not necessarily down the back alleys. Possibly at the street corner at the end of the alley.

 

I also noticed the Model Power 1969 Olds 442 in the hobbylinc link that Shortliner gave - that is another option.

 

Adrian

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