cromptonnut Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Can anyone point me to some good pictures - in colour preferably - of box vans in brown livery? I'd like to see what sort of wagons - including the old style standard 12 ton vans - were still around in the mid to late 70's before red and grey took over. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Paul Bartlett's site is always a good start, this the BR vans section http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brcovmerch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 of box vans in brown livery?... I'd like to see what sort of wagons - including the old style standard 12 ton vans - were still around in the mid to late 70's Thanks. Paul Bartlett's site is always a good start, this the BR vans section http://paulbartlett.....com/brcovmerch You wont better Paul's site for quantity, online or in print. Trying to read between the lines of the OP query (is it open wagons or vans?), by the mid '70s the only vans that would have remained in revenue traffic in any numbers were of BR design - the common or garden 12 tonner in its various varieties, Vanwides and a few Shocvans and pallet vans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted January 7, 2012 Author Share Posted January 7, 2012 Paul Bartlett's site is always a good start, this the BR vans section http://paulbartlett.....com/brcovmerch A good start for individual wagons thanks - but is there anything showing more wider views of actual formations? Trying to read between the lines of the OP query (is it open wagons or vans?), by the mid '70s the only vans that would have remained in revenue traffic in any numbers were of BR design - the common or garden 12 tonner in its various varieties, Vanwides and a few Shocvans and pallet vans Box vans. Specifically, I have a part built O gauge Slaters 7063 "BR 12 ton standard van" which appears planked with plywood doors, and I don't know whether I can get away with using it in my time period I don't think any made it to red/grey livery unless someone can prove me wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Box vans. Specifically, I have a part built O gauge Slaters 7063 "BR 12 ton standard van" which appears planked with plywood doors, and I don't know whether I can get away with using it in my time period I don't think any made it to red/grey livery unless someone can prove me wrong? As already pointed to http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brvanplywooddoorvvv No, you won't find red/grey livery. Paul Bartlett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 ... "BR 12 ton standard van" which appears planked with plywood doors, and I don't know whether I can get away with using it in my time period I don't think any made it to red/grey livery unless someone can prove me wrong? It might have been quicker to ask the specific question. The van itself is fine up to 1982, but red/grey was only applicable to air braked stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted January 7, 2012 Author Share Posted January 7, 2012 So as long as I have a vacuum braked loco, the wagons will be fine as long as I paint 'em brown. Is a brake van required? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 So as long as I have a vacuum braked loco, the wagons will be fine as long as I paint 'em brown. Is a brake van required? Second half of the page: http://windcutter.wordpress.com/vanfare-for-the-common-man/ and about 5 million threads on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted January 7, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2012 Here's a rake at Barnstaple. Don't know actual date but I guess late 1970s / early 80s. I think they're all BR standard vans but some variety between them - 2 plywood, 2 planked, 1 planked with plywood doors, 1 furthest right plywood vanwide? What's interesting to me is that only 1 has the boxed in TOPS style panel with codes, number etc - all the rest just have the TOPS code painted "somewhere near" the number, or no code at all... This website is full of photos from Dave Vinsen who is a member on here - "Eggesford box". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted January 7, 2012 Author Share Posted January 7, 2012 Thanks for your help - problem solved I think except finding the money to buy more Slaters kits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 What's interesting to me is that only 1 has the boxed in TOPS style panel with codes, number etc - all the rest just have the TOPS code painted "somewhere near" the number, or no code at all... It's not easy to say for definite, but I'd reckon some of them have had the later style of lettering applied even if it's not actually boxed in. The one immediately to the left of the Vanwide looks to have its '12T' and tare weight applied in a single line box over the running number - that was a not uncommon variation from the time that metric tares were adopted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted January 7, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2012 Good point Ian. What I was getting at was there's little continuity of appearance. Until I saw this image I was trying to figure the best combination of Bachmann Vanwides Vanfits to suit a 1980s layout, thinking I'd need to get some TOPS panels somehow; now I think I can just buy a string of any combination & add the VVV codes to the non-TOPS versions! EDIT - meant Vanfits - Bachmann don't do vanwides (yet....!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave777 Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 ...and about 5 million threads on this forum. 'About' - bit vague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted February 25, 2014 Author Share Posted February 25, 2014 To resurrect this thread, can anyone recommend an 'idiot proof' kit of something suitable for a brake van fitting this thread's contents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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