RMweb Gold papagolfjuliet Posted January 12, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2012 I was wondering whether anybody could point me in the direction of information about or photos of the locos used by this firm? I'm especially keen to track down an engine named Julia, of which I can't seem to find any record on the ILS list (the most likely candidate, HC No.1682, appears to have spent its working life at Kelkham Iron Works, although the information I have may be incomplete). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 My dad has one of the nameplates in his downstairs toilet if that's any help? He worked pig iron out of there for 15 years and I used to go in and out with him in the lorry all the time. I remember Julia and the smaller loco - name escapes me - well. From memory and given that I'm not an industrials specialist it looked like a kind of Sentinel. I'll ask him when I see him if he knows where it went after it all closed down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold papagolfjuliet Posted January 12, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2012 My dad has one of the nameplates in his downstairs toilet if that's any help? He worked pig iron out of there for 15 years and I used to go in and out with him in the lorry all the time. I remember Julia and the smaller loco - name escapes me - well. From memory and given that I'm not an industrials specialist it looked like a kind of Sentinel. I'll ask him when I see him if he knows where it went after it all closed down. Small world! The other nameplate is in the loft of a colleague of mine, after whom the loco was named in the first place. Thanks for this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold papagolfjuliet Posted January 13, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 13, 2012 Small world! The other nameplate is in the loft of a colleague of mine, after whom the loco was named in the first place. Actually, it isn't. The real Julia tells me that she discovered last night that the other plate was one of the very few items stolen when her house was burgled a few months ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I went up to see my dad last night and asked him about it. There were two locos, a small chain drive 0-4-0 which gave up the ghost some time before the works closed and 'Julia'. He thinks it was a Hunslet as he recalls parts having to come from Leeds when it failed. When the closure was announced there was some interest in the loco from the preservation movement but it was earmarked to move south to a plant in the Birmingham area. The next time my dad went in to the offices ( I recall we had some office furniture after the owners had had all they wanted) the nameplate was in the office and he was told the rest of the loco was being melted down in Briish Steel next door. They gave him the nameplate there and then. I was going to photograph it but we couldn't put our hands on the plate last night. He said he'll look it out through the week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold papagolfjuliet Posted January 13, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 13, 2012 I went up to see my dad last night and asked him about it. There were two locos, a small chain drive 0-4-0 which gave up the ghost some time before the works closed and 'Julia'. He thinks it was a Hunslet as he recalls parts having to come from Leeds when it failed. When the closure was announced there was some interest in the loco from the preservation movement but it was earmarked to move south to a plant in the Birmingham area. The next time my dad went in to the offices ( I recall we had some office furniture after the owners had had all they wanted) the nameplate was in the office and he was told the rest of the loco was being melted down in Briish Steel next door. They gave him the nameplate there and then. I was going to photograph it but we couldn't put our hands on the plate last night. He said he'll look it out through the week. Many thanks for this. I've now been advised that 'Julia' was a Fowler, works No 4220023 of 1963. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 The Industrial Railway Society's 1976 Industrial Locomotives book gives gives the same number for Julia, and gives the other loco as Ruston & Hornsby 417894 of 1959, which was a 48DS type, small chain driven 48HP loco. Julia was a 203HP 0-4-0 Diesel Hydraulic with 3'6 wheels. I think kits for both types have been produced in OO gauge, but can't remember by whom, though Impetus springs to mind for the Fowler. Hope this all helps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfwit Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I think kits for both types have been produced in OO gauge, but can't remember by whom, though Impetus springs to mind for the Fowler. Impetus did indeed make a Fowler, like Adam's: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/28335-impetus-fowler-diesel-building-and-completing-a-collectible/ Whether it is of the same type as the one at Warners I don't know. As for the 48DS, Impetus, A1 Models/Old Time Workshop and Judith Edge produce kits with RT Models making a simple etched chassis to motorise the Impetus and A1 kits (the Judith Edge kit comes complete with etched chassis whilst the A1 kit is designed to sit on a Gandy Dancer or Spud. Impetus gave you an etched chassis and left working out how to motorise it to the builder). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Unfortunately, despite passing close to Warner's works almost daily in the early seventies I can't remember seeing the locos, though I did know they existed....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 There's actually a photo of one of the Cargo Fleet loco's on the IRS website. Direct link here: http://www.irsociety.co.uk/Archives/29/JF4220004.jpg Note that the cab windows are smaller than the variety that the Impetus kit represents (and both are correct!). Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold papagolfjuliet Posted January 16, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 16, 2012 Very, very helpful; thanks all. The real Julia (grandaughter of the then MD) was especially pleased with the photo of her namesake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Just curious, what did this company actually do/make? As far as I can tell, there were no blast furnaces owned by a company called Warner's either at Cargo Fleet nor on Teesside, so they couldn't actually have made pig iron. Did they re melt basic pig iron, refine it, and sell it on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I can vouch for the fact that they did make pig iron as I went into the works and saw them pouring it and my dad shifted hundreds of tons of the stuff up and down the A1. Latterly they were part of a group from the West Midlands the name of which escapes me. The plant must have closed shortly after I got my driving licence in 1983/4 and is now under part of the Riverside football stadium. I couldn't say what they made the pig iron from - I doubt what I remember of the works was big enough to hold a blast furnace - but pigs there definitely were. http://http://www.nationala...20Archives#25-3 http://www.thefreelibrary.com/40+YEARS+AGO.-a0263510971 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Thanks for that. I've checked and they didn't have blast furnaces so they couldn't actually make primary pig iron (there's no other way to make it). If you saw them casting then they were buying in pig iron, melting it in cupola furnaces to refine it and to make particular types and grades of iron. Which answers my question! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Just received the latest Bulletin from The Industrial Railway Society. Their photographic service is just issuing two lists from which prints can be ordered and one of them contains images from Warners. I've asked Kevin Lane to email me copies of the lists and I'll report back with details of the Warners images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
12CSVT Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I remember the works being a local lad, going too Cargo Fleet Railway Station in the late 70s and early 80s. There used to be many complaints from the locals because of the amount of smoke emitted from the chimney which I can remember working, the rail access too the plant had gone by then the rails accrpss Marh road had been lifted or concreted over to the best of my knowlage. I have a book with an arial photo in it which shows the works layout roughly, access was via Teesside Bridge and Engerneering across Marsh road then into the works. I can see in the picture what may be the Fowler diesel at the works rail entrance on Marsh road but not I am not sure, also in the photo are lots of small heaps which could be different grades of pig iron, a large gantry crane can be seen next too the Coupla furnace with other buildings surrouding the plant one maybe an engine shed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 I hadn't realised it had taken him this long to find it, but it has now turned up... here is the one remaining nameplate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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