wootang Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 i have got a GWR 14xx in GWR livery i am going to recreate the thunderbolt set, i have the breakvan, cattle wagon, the well wagon with the coach body i need the coach and lion (does anyone have infomation about the coach) also what colour was the 14XX i have pictures of it being black but i have pictures of it green with coverd in grime with the letter GWR covered over with paint does anyone have any suggestions i will start posting pictures on the project very shortly 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
£1.38 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) The other coach was a Great Eastern Railway boigie coach built for the the Wisbech & Upwell Tramway. D&S Models used to do an etched kit in 4mm scale, but it is out of production, I believe. There is a drawing of the coach in one of the books on the Wisbech & Upwell Tramway. I beleve someone does an etch in 2mm scale too - you don't say which scale you are modelling in. Edited January 25, 2012 by £1.38 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Al Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 The loco was pretty filthy from what I recall, and essentially dirty black all over - the base colour was actually pretty difficult to see! Given that it was early 1950s, underrneath the grime the loco would only have been BR black or GWR green (not repainted after nationalisation) According to online sources two 14xxs were used, one facing each direction on the line - 1401 and another numbered the same. So this may complicate things slightly if there were any subtle paint detail differences. It's certainly a good weathering project though! One small picture here: http://polishrail.wordpress.com/2011/09/16/film-competition-part-4/ Even the red bufferbeams are stuggling to show under the dirt! Interestingly here the loco (not sure if 1401 or other) clearly has GWR visible - I don't recall this in the film so prominantly: http://www.alextrack.co.uk/movies/the_titfield_thunderbolt/photographs_r_r_bowler.html Less notable here: http://www.bathintime.co.uk/image/211561/no-1401-at-monkton-combe-station-23-june-1952 Cheers, Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wootang Posted January 25, 2012 Author Share Posted January 25, 2012 £1.38, i am modelling in 4mm and thanks i will have a trawl through ebay (never know i might get lucky) Dr Al, i heard the same thing because mallingford was bristol temple meads also thank you erm i may spray the loco the green then really heavy weather the locomotive to see how that looks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Hale Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 http://www.ukonscreen.com/hefhfbb-Titfield-Thunderbolt-(1953).html http://homepages.which.net/~gordon.dudman/Titfield%20Page%203.htm http://www.freshford.com/titchfield.htm http://www.reelstreets.com/index.php?option=com_films_online&task=view&id=1031&film_ref=titfield_thunderbolt&limitstart=10 There is a book available from Amazon which provides now and then location shots but for 4mm modelling, I have been unable to find a Bedford OB in Pearce and Crump livery - but Scalelink make a 4mm kit for the Morris Bullnose driven by John Gregson aka the 'Squire' I hope that this helps Tim 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Didn't Hornby produce a "Titfield" 14xx? Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Didn't Hornby produce a "Titfield" 14xx? Presumably, with added topfeed? Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wootang Posted January 25, 2012 Author Share Posted January 25, 2012 tim, thank you for them links they were really helpful Ed, i know Hornby rebuilt the airfix 14xx but i dont know if they created 1401 (the titfield engine) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold papagolfjuliet Posted January 25, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 25, 2012 Dapol did a limited edition 'Titfield' 14XX shortly before they sold the tools to Hornby, but it's probably quite sought after by now. K's used to produce a kit of 'Lion'/'Thunderbolt' and this remained available from a small manufacturer until quite recently; unfortunately the owners have now retired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Yes, the Lion kit was originally part of the K's Milestones range. Until Kay Butler retired it was listed on her KeyKits site but I've no idea whether anyone else has taken it on. Here's one sold on ebay some time ago. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wootang Posted January 25, 2012 Author Share Posted January 25, 2012 Dapol did a limited edition 'Titfield' 14XX shortly before they sold the tools to Hornby, but it's probably quite sought after by now. K's used to produce a kit of 'Lion'/'Thunderbolt' and this remained available from a small manufacturer until quite recently; unfortunately the owners have now retired. do you know the small manufactor who built it other than K's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyHale76 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 there was an article a few years ago in BRM about a Tower models 14XX a customer had ordered and wanted in the colours of the locomotive in the film. This included several black and white photos of the locomotive whilst filming was carried out. The finished locomotive was a very grimy green if I remember rightly but don't quote me on that with with a light shade covering the GWR lettering. Hopefully this can be some help maybe someone knows which issue this article was in. Failing that you could alsways use the Mainly Trains detailing set for the 14xx and use reference photos for the correct top feed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) If you want to be sure about the colours (and the lack of topfeed on 1401) why not get a copy of the film on DVD? Nick Edited January 25, 2012 by buffalo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Hale Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 tim, thank you for them links they were really helpful It was a pleasure to help Tim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyHale76 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 I believe that someone has actually posted the whole film on Youtube, if you search for it on there you'll also find several clips of places where the Titfield Thunderbolt was filmed in present day. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscale Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 If you can't get hold of a suitable GE coach kit Bachmann do a balcony style carriage for use with Toby which is similar in appearance. It is a four wheeler but pair of them could be cut and shut then mounted on a bogie underframe if you want a bogie version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wootang Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 Oscale, that is a brilliant idea Also thanks guys all this infomation has been very helpful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 The North Norfolk Railway are holding a Titfield Thunderbolt day in June to mark the film's 60th anniversary. This will include the "other" W & U coach (twin to the one in the film), a 14XX (painted black specially for the weekend), the roller, a Bedford OB & Ivo Peters' Bentley (he photographed much of the filming). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Where is the real "Lion" now? Has it been steamed since the film? Something tells me it was steamed for one of the Rail 150 type events. Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Its in the new Liverpool museum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I can remember Lion being steamed at MoSI in the 80s - and have read an article somwhere where Liverpool Museum weren't ruling out the possibility of a return to steam at some point in the future, Incidentally Lion's tender was damaged during filming and the damage is still there! I wonder what happened to the replica that was also used in filming.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mike Bellamy Posted January 26, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2012 Have you seen the website maintained by Simon Castens (a one time member here) which has a lot of useful information which doesn't seem to have been mentioned yet. http://eis.bris.ac.uk/~liserc/tit.html Simon now runs a railway bookshop using the Titfield name in Bath http://titfield.co.uk/ Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted January 26, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 26, 2012 ABS models picked up the Lion kit in 4mm scale so it look in RM as it has been advertised there fairly recently. ABS don't have a website and can be difficult to contact as it's a one man band. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wootang Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 RJS thank you sir i think i may pop along to it jus to see how the set will loks prior to completion (hopefully brilliant) paulRhB ill have to look through some former railway mags to see if i can find anything cheers everyone i will be looking into more stuff that you have all mentioned Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted January 27, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 27, 2012 i picked up one of the Dapol "titfield" 14xx's when they moved from llangollen to chirk, didn't know what it was at the time but i stuck it on ebay and got stupid money for it, iirc it was completly black with black wheels and no branding on the sides it wasn't until i got a ramseys guide i discovered what it was Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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