'CHARD Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 We all know about DELTIC making one return trip, seemingly as light loco, out and back over the ECL. In fact we have seen pictures of it on arrival at Leith Central. The photos on Railscot bear witness to the undignified intrusion of comedy engine D5511 on the Waverley itself, in the down direction. Apparently its flanks were used for egg frying exercises on the return trip, when it was made to climb Borthwick from a standing start at Gorebridge. Fortunately the type - with its funny spare centre axles - never darkened WR metals again. But what other examples worked once and once only? Here are a couple of contenders - new locos being delivered from the NBL works, when the GSW and Caley were closed. Locos on WCML diversion. Locos being towed for scrap or reallocation. I know quite a few answers already, so I've only really floated the headline-grabbing stuff in this launch post. Over to you lot. Throw them out there, and if we know better, rest assured someone will put you right! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roygraham Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 We all know about DELTIC making one return trip, seemingly as light loco, out and back over the ECL. In fact we have seen pictures of it on arrival at Leith Central. The photos on Railscot bear witness to the undignified intrusion of comedy engine D5511 on the Waverley itself, in the down direction. Apparently its flanks were used for egg frying exercises on the return trip, when it was made to climb Borthwick from a standing start at Gorebridge. Fortunately the type - with its funny spare centre axles - never darkened WR metals again. But what other examples worked once and once only? Here are a couple of contenders - new locos being delivered from the NBL works, when the GSW and Caley were closed. Locos on WCML diversion. Locos being towed for scrap or reallocation. I know quite a few answers already, so I've only really floated the headline-grabbing stuff in this launch post. Over to you lot. Throw them out there, and if we know better, rest assured someone will put you right! For starters 61700 Bantam Cock. roygraham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 Yayy!!! You saw my reference to the V4 twins in the tag cloud! Bantam Hen, was she a once-only visitor too, I wonder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62440 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 The two GWR locos being delivered for The Mound to Dornoch branch. Hauled within a freight train. Bruce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Not a one off, but there were not that many non stop runs by The Elizabethan after the floods in August 1948. 408 1/2 miles to give the longest non stop run by steam in the world. I know Mallard did this trip, but no knowledge of the identity of any other (if any) A4s. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roygraham Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Yayy!!! You saw my reference to the V4 twins in the tag cloud! Bantam Hen, was she a once-only visitor too, I wonder? Only ever seen one reference to her. Strangely enough that was the same w/e as her brother. roygraham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisM Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Not sure if it was a one off, but does FLying Scotsman in preserved LNER livery working the railtour of Bulleid coaches in Green count? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Some of the ex-LMS Pacifics hauling diverted WCML trains must have been one-time-only visitors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Not a one off, but there were not that many non stop runs by The Elizabethan after the floods in August 1948. 408 1/2 miles to give the longest non stop run by steam in the world. I know Mallard did this trip, but no knowledge of the identity of any other (if any) A4s. Bernard There's a list of the A4s that did the trip non-stop (north or south) here - http://www.lner.info/locos/A/a4.shtml Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Jamieson Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 From a quick look through Kenneth Gray's list, here are a couple of suggestions:- Unrebuilt Patriots Nos. 45516, only briefly allocated to Upperby in 1951/52, and 45542, which was never allocated to a Carlisle shed. Britannia herself which was one of the few of the class not to end up at Carlisle but was photographed by Robin Barbour on an up freight at Hawick. Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 There's a list of the A4s that did the trip non-stop (north or south) here - http://www.lner.info/locos/A/a4.shtml I like that. Interesting to see 27 and 31, two of the regulars in later days, included in that list. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37175 Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Not a one off, but there were not that many non stop runs by The Elizabethan after the floods in August 1948. 408 1/2 miles to give the longest non stop run by steam in the world. I know Mallard did this trip, but no knowledge of the identity of any other (if any) A4s. Bernard Was it not "The Capitals Limited" on these diversionary trains? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Was it not "The Capitals Limited" on these diversionary trains? The non stop trains did seem to change names over the years. You could well be correct for the period in question. Any one got a time table rather than going by quotes in publications written well after the event? My reference is from Elizabethan by Stephen Austin. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62440 Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 My reference is from Elizabethan by Stephen Austin. Bernard Goodness, I wonder if that's the Stephen Austin that wrote a poem about Riccarton back in 1968! He travelled the line several times with me. Bruce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted February 8, 2012 Author Share Posted February 8, 2012 Poem? Is this a published work? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy M Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 The two GWR locos being delivered for The Mound to Dornoch branch. Hauled within a freight train. I've often mused over the transfer of the two 16xx's to Scotland. Has anybody ever seen reference to how this was actually acheived and via which route? You would like to think that such a unique occurrence would have been documented and photographed. Andy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 The book by Stephen Austin is one in a series under the cover title From The Footplate published by Ian Allan around 1993. No details concerning the author but the first quote in his list of sources is AJ Mullay so in my book that's a good start. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted February 8, 2012 Author Share Posted February 8, 2012 I've often mused over the transfer of the two 16xx's to Scotland. Has anybody ever seen reference to how this was actually acheived and via which route? You would like to think that such a unique occurrence would have been documented and photographed. We know they went via the Waverley Route, from Edinburgh I've no idea whether they went the awesome way (via Glenfarg) or the nonsensical way (via Ladybank). Suppose it was crucial which way they were routed to Inverness - Highland Main or round the coast. To Carlisle, the options are vast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62440 Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Poem? Is this a published work? No, but it will be - I have his permission! B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy M Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 We know they went via the Waverley Route Chard, Can I ask where you gleaned that information from? Regards, Andy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Jamieson Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Kenneth Gray lists both locos as having passed through Hawick - as I understand it his list was compiled from the observations of various people. Unfortunately it does not give dates for one-off events like this. Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Natalie Graham Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I've often mused over the transfer of the two 16xx's to Scotland. Has anybody ever seen reference to how this was actually acheived and via which route? You would like to think that such a unique occurrence would have been documented and photographed. Andy. in a similar vein there are the various locos sent to help the Highland work the trains supplying the Scapa Flow fleet during WWI. There is a photo of an LSWR Adams Radial and a NER Fletcher BTP coupled together heading back south on their way home after the war. That can't have been an everyday sighting on the lines south of the HR. Oops, just realised this is a Waverley Route thread. Still they might have gone that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Some of the ex-LMS Pacifics hauling diverted WCML trains must have been one-time-only visitors. Apologies for quoting my own post, but I've just found the photo I knew I'd seen of one of these trains. It's actually taken at Haymarket, but it's of 46210 on a Glasgow-Birmingham in October 1954 "... diverted via Edinburgh and the Waverley route to Carlisle due to flooding on the West Coast." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 During WW11 my father was posted to Galashiels. Seeking out details from this period can be rather frustrating, but yesterday at Kew I got my hands on the War Diaries. I knew he went by train and I had a rough idea of the date. I managed to track down the details. 9th Jan 1941, the first train left Thetford at 16.00 and reached Galashiels at 04.00. This was designated 9 E 65. The second train left at 19.00 reaching it's destination at 08.30. This was 9 E 73. The orders contained this gem. All men will ensure that the carriages are left spotleslly clean and that any damage done is reported to the train Adjutant through the O.C. Company. Who's going to tell what locos were used? Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted September 7, 2012 Author Share Posted September 7, 2012 Well, I suppose the 15s were the Clayton forerunner, to all intents and purposes. Although this is an outrageous working! Thanks for a great spot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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