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Specific font called Rail Alphabet. Very similar to hospital NHS fonts and Helvetica Sans with minor differences.

 

try here

 

http://www.newrailalphabet.co.uk/

 

Si

 

In my early days in BR I was told that it was 'modified Helvetica medium'. It was derived from Jock Kinnear's pioneering work with road signs which as per Si's post was also developed into the NHS font too.

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This link was posted by Pugsley in a blog post, its really good. http://www.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/ Crop a photo of the text you want to replicate, then upload it to this site and if the text is determinable it will tell you what font it is and give you a link to download it. A lot of fonts are payware, but take the name and google it you'll quite often get the ones you want free somewhere else. I used this to get the font the Cargowaggon used on their wagons.

 

Dave

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On a related note - for pre-Corporate Image signage such as totems, am I right in thinking it's Gill Sans?

 

Yep, although the font was 'tweaked' for use on railway signage so the word processing font may not be 100% spot on. Near enough for me though.

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In my early days in BR I was told that it was 'modified Helvetica medium'. It was derived from Jock Kinnear's pioneering work with road signs which as per Si's post was also developed into the NHS font too.

Corporate BR in the blue era and beyond used Jock Kinnear & Margaret Calvert's Rail Alphabet. It's very similar to Helvetica 65 Medium, but it's not Helvetica 65 Medium. Rail Alphabet was also used in the NHS, at UK airports, and also on Danish Railways. Misha Black was also "inspired by" Helvetica for his typeface for the "Western" locos. (Inspired by, as in pretty much a direct copy.)

 

Prior to 1964, BR (and LNER) used a modified Gill Sans, and even within BR it wasn't consistent (curly 6 anyone?). AFAIK there's no specific British Railways Gill Sans face out there. Scalescenes also do print-at-home station signs. They even had a link to download Rail Alphabet in ttf format.

 

Please, please, please don't use Arial for anything railway-related, except perhaps certain EWS locos as some cretin at EWS thought it was "cool" to use it for loco numbers. Every time Arial is used, an angel dies.

 

Anyone seen my coat? It's the one with "The Elements of Typographic Style" in the pocket.

 

RWJ

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... Every time Arial is used, an angel dies...

 

 

 

Don't mention comic sans. I did once, but I think I got away with it.

 

My coat pocket - CD with backup of Lintoype Font Explorer having a nervous breakdown over different versions of Helvetica.

 

For UK road signs, the Transport and Motorway fonts are available from http://www.cbrd.co.uk/fonts/

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Don't mention comic sans. I did once, but I think I got away with it.

 

My coat pocket - CD with backup of Lintoype Font Explorer having a nervous breakdown over different versions of Helvetica.

 

For UK road signs, the Transport and Motorway fonts are available from http://www.cbrd.co.uk/fonts/

I avoided mentioning C***c S**s as each time that's used, another of hell's hounds gets unleashed. I know what you mean about different versions of Helvetica.

 

Those CRDB road sign fonts are pretty rough. K-Type's Transport http://www.k-type.com/?p=626 are much, much better. Did I also mention that I collaborated with Keith of K-Type to develop Enamela, a digitisation of the typeface used on vintage Post Office/Telegraph Office signs, many of which still remain? Shameless plug http://www.k-type.com/?p=2487 Oh yes, I have.

 

Margaret Calvert has revised Rail Alphabet, and is now called New Rail Alphabet. It costs £megabucks.

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Those CRDB road sign fonts are pretty rough.

 

Yes, I think he says as much at the top of the page. Anyone tried them out for modelling purposes? The small size of the model may mean those versions are OK for that purpose.

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It's very similar to Helvetica 65 Medium, but it's not Helvetica 65 Medium.

 

 

I always understood that the BR typeface was derived from Univers 65. The numbered Helveticas AFAIK only came in with Helvetica Neue in the early 1980s.

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I always understood that the BR typeface was derived from Univers 65. The numbered Helveticas AFAIK only came in with Helvetica Neue in the early 1980s.

 

Force of habit I'm afraid - I tend to think of the weights in terms of numbers. But anyway, it's based on Helvetica Medium. It's not Univers by a long, long way. Take a look at 1, 5, 7, and G. Rail Alphabet's don't look anything like those in Univers, but are very much closer to Helvetica Medium.

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