RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted January 20, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) ... and since it's a riveted 'cow' in Dutch it should have the overhead guards too. Edit Not that the rivets make any difference, the welded examples had them from new IIRC Edited January 20, 2013 by griffgriff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Plenty of pictures on Paul Barlett's site that show them without overhead guards. One thing I have noticed about the bogies on the Lima YGH is that they look like this? http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsealion/hf07ce7f#h15df6f37 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted January 27, 2013 Author Share Posted January 27, 2013 As promised, the 37 - shark sandwich! (if you're gonna show it off, do it properly!) The limpets and 37 could do with a light weather, i'd like 2 more sealions or seacows, and the wagons could do with a load but i feel it looks the part anyway. Thanks guys for all the advice. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Proper Job! cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 is it just me, or is the centre divider on the Lima Seacow too high? the Hornby one does not go to the top of the wagon, but the Lima one does. is it time to get the file out again? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shed Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 I'd guess the Lima one is too high and needs cutting down a little. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 I'd guess the Lima one is too high and needs cutting down a little. i need to find a good internal picture or a wagon i can climb on to take my own! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted February 3, 2013 Author Share Posted February 3, 2013 Zooming in on pictures i can find, i can't see central dividers in them. Do they definately have them or is it just a structural thing for models? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 (edited) I am fairly certain there was some divider in the hoppers as it was possible, though not common, for a wagon to be part unloaded by only opening one set of doors at one end. Here is a crop of a picture previously posted, not conclusive but showing that it does not come to the top. A mixed train of empty sealions and seacows at Crediton heading for Meldon Quarry, 3/10/83 cheers edit - try this picture at Tonbridge West Yard www.flickr.com/photos/mikecubberley/8405681360/ Edited February 3, 2013 by Rivercider 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) from looking at the flickr photos and this on http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsealion/h14aeca9#h1f877a4b it appears the Hornby one is about right and the Lima one way too high. looks like I'm out with the file again, just like my Lima PGAs!! Edited February 4, 2013 by ess1uk 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 Note to self: Look for 2 more Hornby wagons to spare myself ess1uk's dispair.... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Just found a picture in BR blue no2 Western Region South and West by John Dedman with 37280 hauling 3 seacows a shark and 8 dogfish. I really must get a shark. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted February 23, 2013 Author Share Posted February 23, 2013 Why? why would you do this to me? Just when i think i know what i want out of a train the dogfish returns! (Was the train in that order and with no other brake van after the last Dogfish? I think i could still fit in 4 dog fish rather than 2 more sealions) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Why? why would you do this to me? Just when i think i know what i want out of a train the dogfish returns! (Was the train in that order and with no other brake van after the last Dogfish? I think i could still fit in 4 dog fish rather than 2 more sealions) Yes in that order and the wagons all appear to be full. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shed Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Note to self: Look for 2 more Hornby wagons to spare myself ess1uk's dispair.... What about the Bachman ones? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted March 9, 2013 Author Share Posted March 9, 2013 What about the Bachman ones?I did have a reason.....i just can't rmember what it was now. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 i want a couple more of the Hornby ones too, that would take me up to 8 wagons which i think is enough. then must get a Shark. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shed Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 I did have a reason.....i just can't rmember what it was now. they look ok to me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted April 9, 2013 Author Share Posted April 9, 2013 they look ok to me?That wasn't the reason....i just can't remember what the real reason was. I'm torn, by the end of the week this train should be complete, but do i get another pair of brand new Hornby Seacows, or a pair of cheaper Lima Seacows to detail up and add variation to the set? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted April 9, 2013 Author Share Posted April 9, 2013 Going back in time a little to page 3 and the below post, it was pointed out a little after that post that the Lima bogies are incorrect, they should be Gloucester bogies, available from Cambrian. Looking at the Cambrian site http://www.cambrianmodels.co.uk/4mmbogies.html the gloucester bogies look more like the Lima ones than the Hornby ones. Am i missing something here?! here are a couple of photos of my Hornby next my Lima seacows i can see the difference in Bogies and the Hornby railings are taller than the Lima ones IMG_4160.JPG IMG_4163.JPG 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 ive seen pictures with both styles of bogies so the Lima and Hornby styles are both out there guess it could boil down to if its a Seacow or Sealion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungrange Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 The new tooled Hornby and Lima models represent vehicles built at different times, which had different bogies. The Lima model (and also the Bachmann model) represent the batch built from 1971, which had riveted construction and were mounted on Gloucester bogies. The newly tooled Hornby model represents the later variants, which entered service from 1981. These are welded construction and are mounted on Y27 bogies. I'm not an expert on bogies, but I understand that the bogies under the Lima model are actually a European prototype, which have a passing resemblance to the Gloucester type rather than actually being the correct type. As far as I am aware the Y27 bogies on the newly tooled Hornby model are of the correct pattern for the welded versions, as are the Gloucester type under the Bachmann model. I'm not sure about the bogies under Hornby's reissue of the former Lima model: I don't know if Hornby corrected them or continue to use the incorrect Lima bogies. References to Sealion and Seacow refer to the braking not the build dates. Sealions were dual braked (air and AFI vacuum) whereas Seacows are air braked only (although originally built with a through vacuum pipe). The article at http://www.ltsv.com/w_profile_012.php may be of interest. Regards David 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 thanks for clearing that up for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted April 10, 2013 Author Share Posted April 10, 2013 Cheers for that, good info. Although just returned to ebay for the pair of Lima Cows i was watching and someone's beaten me to them! :-( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 After the introduction of seacows in 1981 they were regularly found mixed in trains with sealions on the Western Region so there is a prototype if you want to run them together. I was looking to find an example of a mixed sealion/seacow rake and have failed so far. However having said mixed rakes of sealions and dogfish were rare on the Western Region I did find this:- 37181 at Park Junction Newport with a loaded train from Machen Quarry, 2 sealions bring up the rear, 25/9/86 cheers 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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