Waverley Route new image links and discussion

[Bernard Lamb]

The Saga of the Scuttling Bothy.

Continued.

Matisa in Switzerland were very helpful.

The machine was of a type built between 1945, when the company was founded and 1954.

Two photos provided and you can see under the covers! (Sorry Ian!)

Bernard

 

[Fat Controller]

The Saga of the Scuttling Bothy.

Continued.

Matisa in Switzerland were very helpful.

The machine was of a type built between 1945, when the company was founded and 1954.

Two photos provided and you can see under the covers! (Sorry Ian!)

Bernard

 

And there's me thinking Heath-Robinson was British! It looks like something the school groundsman would get out if it had been raining all week and there was an important match on Saturday...

[Pennine MC]

It looks like something the school groundsman would get out if it had been raining all week and there was an important match on Saturday...

 

Doesnt look a bit like a finger

[Colin Stewart]

Wondering slightly off the Waverley route, does anyone have any knowledge about the Langholm end of Gilnockie? All the pictures I have seen concentrate on the station and crossing but I would like to understand what the other end looked like. I've had some help from Bruce's book and from Bruce himself on this but I have some unanswered questions that perhaps the group could help with: - how long was the goods loop; did it have a catch point or points and buffer; were the ground signals disc or NBR flap; where was the home signal and was it a tall latice post with upper quad signal as per the Riddings end?

 

So far I've gleaned that the facing point from the platform was removed around 1959 possibly in 1960? The loop is shown on the signalling diagram in Bruce's book with signals as upper quad and ground signals as discs which is dated 1959. In later pictures the point is removed and the rodding for these points removed along with the signal wire for the Riddings end ground signal.

 

Colin

[plarailfan]

I've just started a 'Waverley route' group on Flickr, photo's are welcome, provided they comply with the guidelines in the group description.

http://www.flickr.co...ps/1533814@N24/ Having seen 'scottish modeller's (hi Phil) remarks on page 3 of this forum, I hope I have a bit more success, after all, there's loads of Waverley route stuff all over the internet, including Flickr, it's obviously a sensitive issue, with people affected by the re-opening proposals, I hope, with a bit of care, fellow modellers can enjoy this Flickr group without anyone being upset or offended.

[26power]

 The SRPS have one at Bo'ness.  See this link:

 

http://www.srpsmuseum.org.uk/10127.htm

 

Who knows, it might even be the same one!

 

Cheers,

 

26power

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who can point me in the direction of more information, even a drawing, of the scuttling bothy?

Bernard

[Bernard Lamb]

 The SRPS have one at Bo'ness.  See this link:

 

http://www.srpsmuseum.org.uk/10127.htm

 

Who knows, it might even be the same one!

 

Cheers,

 

26power

 

Seeing that it operated in that part of the world it could well be the one in Wandering Willie's photo. The caption seems to be a bit out. Matisa started up in the UK in 1964 so it could not have been a UK build. The type in the photos I posted from Matisa, which they say is of a similar type was produced before 1954, so the 1957 date of purchase by BR is not the build date.

Bernard

[Scottish Modeller]

I've just started a 'Waverley route' group on Flickr, photo's are welcome, provided they comply with the guidelines in the group description.

http://www.flickr.co...ps/1533814@N24/ Having seen 'scottish modeller's (hi Phil) remarks on page 3 of this forum, I hope I have a bit more success, after all, there's loads of Waverley route stuff all over the internet, including Flickr, it's obviously a sensitive issue, with people affected by the re-opening proposals, I hope, with a bit of care, fellow modellers can enjoy this Flickr group without anyone being upset or offended.

HI Wayne,

 

My photos were removed at the request of the overseeing body at the time.

 

I still have all of them - including official approval for use ot the extracted plans for 'Projected stations'.

 

Note - that is not my quotation marks - it's how it was sent to me in the response and request to remove.

 

Having had furthr discussion - this was because of the apparent lack of progress!

 

Having been on the Waverley route today with the dog - The lack of progress is evident!

 

Where there was cleared trackbed - it is no longer.

 

The trees are back - in force!

 

Hopefully I will get some photos in the next few days - the weather was s**** today - even the dog was protesting!

 

So - Yes...

 

Have a go at presenting things as they are - just like I did - Why not?

 

The public has a right to know if they are being fed bulls***!

 

After all it's our money....

 

Thanks

['CHARD]

It's great that more of the Ken Gray collection's making it onto RailScot, here's lovely D5069 at 'oik.

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=31577

['CHARD]

I'm sure there will be some who are as yet unaware of this little gem that snook out onto the shelves of the discerrning on October 23rd: http://www.middletonpress.co.uk/details.php?bdetails=978+1+906008+85+7

 

The eagle-eyed Jeremy C was there before me, here: http://www.rmweb.co....isle-to-hawick/

I spotted my copy when I least expected at the Warley expo last weekend. So thronging was the floor on Saturday it was easy to miss things first time around.

 

What do you get for your fifteen-odd quid? Well, pretty much unpublished - in dead tree media at least - B&W photographs by several names that will be familiar to habitues of this thread, 120 in all. OS Maps from the turn of the century are featured, for the first time I think in the mainstream WR titles, and several signal box diagrams. These give an excellent source of NB track layouts from the line's heyday.

 

In terms of photographic gems there is a new aspect on Steele Road with an EE Type 4 (no, not a 50) and Bristol single decker (on rail replacement, sixties-style) forming nothing more than incidental details, a fine view of Riccarton Junction's 'Main Street,' the seldom seen Stobs Camp box, plus good footage and explanatory text of the camp itself. Possibly my favourite is of the unadvertised Whitrope stop, with local people detraining using the step ladder carried in the Guard's van, taken in 1952 - everyone knows my predeliction for human interest shots!

['CHARD]

Thank you Jamie for alerting me to the new additions to this photostream:

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/chopper_201988/4929170479/in/photostream/

 

These signalling diagrams are tidy counterparts to the ones just out in print courtesy of Middleton Press. Fantastic.

 

We could do with a WR virtual resource room to park all this for safekeeping...

[millerhillboy]

It's great that more of the Ken Gray collection's making it onto RailScot, here's lovely D5069 at 'oik.

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=31577

 

Enjoyed seeing that one 'Chard. Nice bit of steaming sulzer action .

[62440]

I'm told that "Railway Magazine" for Jan 2011 has this photo of mine in it, captioned as D14 at Hawick. (It's also in Robotham's book page 40 as the 14.45 ex Edinburgh - which is isn't! page 36 has the Down train as the 09.20 from Carlisle in August.)

 

It was taken on 12 June 1968 - I have the platform ticket to prove it - and on the Down line is the 09.20 ex-Carlisle.

 

I never as a rule did I take loco numbers but have a look at the enlargement and see if you think it's D14.

 

 

and here's a blow-up of the number

 

... over to you experts.

[Pennine MC]

It was taken on 12 June 1968 - I have the platform ticket to prove it -

 

Ha, all that proves is you were there on that day (in fact not even that)

 

 

 

I never as a rule did I take loco numbers but have a look at the enlargement and see if you think it's D14.

 

... over to you experts.

 

I dont see why it wouldnt be, Bruce - the second digit does look like '4' and very, very few splitbox Peaks actually had doors in the nose so it wont be a higher number. Also D14 would have been a Holbeck loco, so very likely to be on the route

[62440]

 

I dont see why it wouldnt be, Bruce - the second digit does look like '4' and very, very few splitbox Peaks actually had doors in the nose so it wont be a higher number. Also D14 would have been a Holbeck loco, so very likely to be on the route

 

Were they numbered DXX or just XX without the "D"? If the latter, then I'm happy with D14.

[plarailfan]

Crossfell - many thanks for those, I'm guessing they are from shortly before the end. That looks like a 60A 24 on the front to me. The mystery station is Stobs I'm pretty sure.

 

I think Newcastleton is reminiscent of an Alpine station somehow, and I love the way the box and footbridge are integrated.

 

Dave, I had to curtail my trawl, but I'm liable to get back on it before Xmas dinner! I desperately want an i.d on the mystery Early Blue duff at Melrose!

 

Did someone say 'Early Blue?' We know this lady worked the Waverley

 

 

Look at the amazing list of 47's that's been added, http://www.flickr.co...ps/1533814@N24/ (discussion)

['CHARD]

Whoa! That's a heck of a list! I'd love to see the equivalent for Type 2s and Class 40s.

 

Here's a funereal shot from 4th January '69, full of human emotion.

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=31756

 

And BFYE 5315 at The Citadel in another evocative K.A.Gray capture:

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=31741

 

Not strictly on the WR and taken after the end, but who can resist a classic WR loco profile such as this, D169 BFYE at 64B, lush:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=31709

[Pennine MC]

Were they numbered DXX or just XX without the "D"? If the latter, then I'm happy with D14.

 

 

At that date (three months before the end of steam), it would still have the 'D' (and I can make out the serifs in the enlargement - does anybody agree?). The '1', being a narrow character, would be relatively squeezed up between that and the '4', but has evidently been lost somewhere in the process. It's certainly not D4 for obvious reasons, and as I said before, D24 wouldnt have had nose doors, nor would any higher numbered splitboxes like D84 or D94 (and D84 was named so is definitely out)

 

Anybody else any thoughts?

['CHARD]

D14, with you 100%, even down to the austerity green ('CHARD livery code aGSYP).

[Oldddudders]

And here's one of my photos - yep - out of focus as usual. Taken the day of BURCo road-to-rail trial in 1970: it was one horrendous WET day!

You do yourself an injustice - the photo is NOT out of focus. Both the lorry and the signalbox are in focus. Probably because of the poor light, on a wet day with slow film, you were forced to use a slow shutter speed to get the exposure you needed. Thus the loco, which was moving, has not been "stopped". Frankly, everyone knows what the loco looks like, while good detail in the gates and the signalbox might be very useful.

 

A much more successful pic than you suggest, surely!

[Jamie]

new to this thread? http://britishdieselandelectriclocomotives.fotopic.net/p63892000.html

-found by accident.

[26power]

Veering off topic a wee bit ....

 

Unfortunately 26 004 (D5304) not looking quite as bonny at Bo'ness at the moment.  Owned by 6LDA and kept at the SRPS site at Bo'ness.  Of course if anyone wants to help with restoration (either physically or financially) then contact me!

 

Both D5304 (Jamie's linked picture) and D5336 on the same site have paintwork damage to left hand cab front door for some reason:

 

http://britishdieselandelectriclocomotives.fotopic.net/p63060885.html

 

Cheers, 26power

 

 

 

new to this thread? http://britishdiesel.../p63892000.html

-found by accident.

['CHARD]

new to this thread? http://britishdiesel.../p63892000.html

-found by accident.

Oh that's tidy

 

What a lovely portrait, truly a WR signature shot, that one. Oval buffers and work-stained original livery is actually irresistible. Again, veering into my favoured turf, check out the sharp-dressed hep-cat who appears to have just left 2M52, and is possibly about to cross beneath the line by way of the subway. A detail so rich in period atmosphere I'm indebted to Jamie for unearthing it. 10/10, keep it up.

['CHARD]

Thanks to the St Boswells as modelling inspiration thread running elsewhere, I've been surfing the inner reaches of RailScot again, and here are a few I don't think we've featured before of the Last Day of the Kelso target, and after closure:

 

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=30099

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=30110

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=29996

http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=17970

 

45 years ago today, 60528 Tudor Minstrel at Shankend with the Warwickshire Railway Society's Waverley railtour. Taken a mere five days before I was unleashed into an unsuspecting world, which makes this photo a Saturday scene: http://www.railbrit....te.php?id=27800

 

http://www.railbrit....te.php?id=24525

http://www.railbrit....te.php?id=26011

 

Ellangowan, 64G 1958: http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=31857

Glen Douglas at Gilnockie: http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=31793

for Dave - Glen Lyon at Canal: http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=31787

Oh wow! BFYE Clayton action at 12A in 1967, lovely: http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=31770

[Bernard Lamb]

While this thread is talking about Kelso I give you the following.

I came across the name some time ago but knew nothing about the company. As I was at The National Archive yesterday, seeking information on the real Waverley Route, I looked it up.

 

The Carlisle & Berwick Junction Railway - (With a Branch to Hawick).

Incorporated Oct 3 1845.

To make a line of railway from the town of Carlisle in the county of Cumberland to Kelso in the country of Scotland, there to join the Newcastle & Berwick Railway at that place.

 

This was but one of several schemes from around that time.

Bernard