RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted February 11, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 11, 2011 Phil What sort of state of repair is the structure in? Its a fine looking bridge for sure but I wonder what state of repair its in. I presume irrespective of condition it will have to be brought up to good repair, which I assume is what this work might be or is it perhaps just them having a closer look at what's there. Either way good news I suppose. Hi all, I had a quick duck in and scan about. I can confirm that the 3 piers that have scaffolding around them are the piers which already had rail banding to tie the structure together and where there is visible shifting in the arch crown around what should be the keystone. If it's a bit brighter tomorrow I will take photos. The viaduct did have an inspection before the false start about 4 years ago. However, even though all the trees were removed in an attempt to prevent further root damage, there has been some further visible damage to the viaduct. There have been a couple of instances where masonary lumps have fallen onto the roadway or into the caravan park. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 I'm sure that one or two forum members will have David Cross's book on the Waverley Route. On page 7 is the gradient profile. I've seem similar before marked the same way as this reproduction. Can anyone explain the significance of: (i) the diamonds at Abbeyhill, Portobello Junction, Glenesk Junction, Gorebridge, Galashiels, Hawick, between Hawick and Stobs (this one also has a left pointing arrow), Riccarton and finally Canal Junction. also (ii) the small squares at St Margaret's tunnel, between Riccarton and Whitrope and again between Riccarton and Steele Road (both these have right pointing arrows) and finally Longtown. Many thanks. My book of gradients by The Railway Magazine, 1936 states an unshaded diamond is a moderate or slight speed restriction and a shaded diamond is a severe speed restriction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 I can't see mentioned in this topic yet. Since it sounds as if it's part of a professional production (though the picture quality isn't great), it may be from a DVD that's been discussed. From 0:40 to 2:50 deals with the Waverley and branches, but there's a lot more interesting stuff after that. A regular contributor to this topic may be pleased to see his namesake! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I can't see mentioned in this topic yet. From 0:40 to 2:50 deals with the Waverley and branches, but there's a lot more interesting stuff after that. There is indeed. Siloth branch with a Derby Lightweight in pre whiskered days for starters. Must be in the running for the earliest piece of film of a DMU in dervice. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62440 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 My book of gradients by The Railway Magazine, 1936 states an unshaded diamond is a moderate or slight speed restriction and a shaded diamond is a severe speed restriction. Spot on! I've checked with a 1947 Appendix and these certainly agree with main line speed restrictions in it. A long standing query of mine solved. Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37175 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Spot on! I've checked with a 1947 Appendix and these certainly agree with main line speed restrictions in it. A long standing query of mine solves. Thank you. That would be the same gradient profile as appears on the WRHA website at http://www.wrha.org.uk/maps_grads.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62440 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 That would be the same gradient profile as appears on the WRHA website at http://www.wrha.org.uk/maps_grads.html It would indeed be the same. Also in Siviter's book and Robotham's book on the line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted February 14, 2011 Author Share Posted February 14, 2011 It's Reborn Route time again, and it looks like the A7's getting a double roundabout at Falahill instead of the signature S-bend of yore: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-12447055 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37175 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 It's Reborn Route time again, and it looks like the A7's getting a double roundabout at Falahill instead of the signature S-bend of yore: http://www.bbc.co.uk...otland-12447055 I know it was opposed by the Community Council but lot of what they were opposed to didn't really make sense ... this road layout ensures that the Falahill residents can actually get onto the A7 without fear of being ploughed into at national speed limit. Ironically, and what the Heriot Community Council didn't acknowledge in their opposition to it, was that if it wasn't for the railway most of the affected houses wouldn't be there in the first place! Amusingly, they also made reference to commuters using the A7 who would have increased journey times on their way to & from Edinburgh and the Borders after the roundabouts are built ... now let me think that one over very carefully :-) The only disconcerting part of the application is that the bridge is a single span for the railway, denying any chance of it ever being double tracked throughout (without further mass upheaval, roadworks & cost). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted February 15, 2011 Author Share Posted February 15, 2011 I must agree with your point about the bridge, Matt. Single tracking sounds like another potential false economy to me. The relatively insignificant additional cost of laying down 'passive provision' for redoubling the line (or any line) should make it the natural preference for Transport Scotland - in a 'good stewardship of the assets' kind of way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fegguk Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Oh dear how short sighted can they be to build a single track over bridge. Is the new one already built in Gala next to ASDA the same. I thought it looked a bit tight to 2 tracks. I was under the impression that all new structure would not only be 2 track but also enable overhead electrification Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Bit about this from a while back on Transport Scotland website at: http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/news/Proposal-to-realign-A7-and-Borders-Rail-Line+ I was trying to see if there were any details/drawings of this scheme available on-line. The link takes you to the SBC portal for planning applications, but unless you already know some details of the one you are looking for it doesn't look like you can search for anything! Anyone point to details? I seem to recall the Bathgate to Airdrie line had detailed drawings for all the stations on line - too early for that here? Surely not? Cheers, 26power It's Reborn Route time again, and it looks like the A7's getting a double roundabout at Falahill instead of the signature S-bend of yore: http://www.bbc.co.uk...otland-12447055 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37175 Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Bit about this from a while back on Transport Scotland website at: http://www.transport...ders-Rail-Line+ I was trying to see if there were any details/drawings of this scheme available on-line. The link takes you to the SBC portal for planning applications, but unless you already know some details of the one you are looking for it doesn't look like you can search for anything! Anyone point to details? I seem to recall the Bathgate to Airdrie line had detailed drawings for all the stations on line - too early for that here? Surely not? Cheers, 26power All the drawings for Falahill were available on there a month or two back ... if they've been removed I'll try and dig out the ones I saved and get links posted. The new station drawings were all on the old Waverley Railway Project website, and were there several years ago! They are now on the Transport Scotland site, click here: http://www.transport...te-and-stations Click each station name, then on that page you'll find a link to the PDF of each individual station layout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37175 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Interesting article re the Falahill roundabouts in the Southern Reporter: http://www.thesouthernreporter.co.uk/news/local-headlines/backlash_as_single_vote_secures_consent_for_a7_realignment_1_1457069 A couple of interesting quotes from the text: "One of the fiercest critics was Councillor Sandy Aitchison (Borders Party) who lives in Stow but is not a member of the committee." "Mr Aitchison’s grim demeanour was in stark contrast to the two residents of Falahill Cottages whose smiles indicated they welcomed the decision." I'm just wondering whether Mr Aitchison is one of the "Not In My Back Yard" brigade? The real irony being that those whose back yard it actually is in are in agreement with the decision to go ahead with the plan! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fegguk Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Councillor Aitchison is as indicated a member of the Borders Party, who's main aim is to stifle any development in the central Borders so they can admire the view and watch the young and poor leave because they can't find somewhere affordable to live and/or get a job. They oppose the railway and it associated housing developments because they are all right Jack. They are the NIMBY party they do however have some support as the railway is not universally popular amongst the short sighted in these part. Sorry to be political but someone has to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted February 25, 2011 Author Share Posted February 25, 2011 Well now, it's about time I booted this back up onto page 1, and what better to do it with than a subtly weathered BFYE D8580 on a lesser featured part of the Carlisle - Edinburgh route, at Niddrie North Jct. Mini ploughs also feature, and the freight consist, although a local trip after closure of the through route, is very tasty Millerhill fare indeed. http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=32912 and I just noticed something very Haymarket about that headcode Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
millerhillboy Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Well now, it's about time I booted this back up onto page 1, and what better to do it with than a subtly weathered BFYE D8580 on a lesser featured part of the Carlisle - Edinburgh route, at Niddrie North Jct. Mini ploughs also feature, and the freight consist, although a local trip after closure of the through route, is very tasty Millerhill fare indeed. http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=32912 and I just noticed something very Haymarket about that headcode Lovely, and surprisingly recognisable despite the passage of time. Well the horizon is still remarkably recognisable, but with a new housing estate on the right of the loco now that bits different. That overbridge is still there in some guise as well I believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shed64a Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=32912 The footbridge was replaced with a new wooden bridge after electrification and the white house at the top left of the picture removed for the building of the link road to the city bypass. I remember walking to see the donkey in the field on the right whilst at school in Newcraighall in the 80's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37175 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=32912 The footbridge was replaced with a new wooden bridge after electrification and the white house at the top left of the picture removed for the building of the link road to the city bypass. I remember walking to see the donkey in the field on the right whilst at school in Newcraighall in the 80's. Trying to get my bearings on this one with the north junction and the houses on the right .. looks like the site of Brunstane station? I went to Jewel & Esk Valley College in the 90s, have also used Brunstane station not that long ago and should really know the place .. but am still not sure if I've got that right! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
millerhillboy Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Trying to get my bearings on this one with the north junction and the houses on the right .. looks like the site of Brunstane station? I went to Jewel & Esk Valley College in the 90s, have also used Brunstane station not that long ago and should really know the place .. but am still not sure if I've got that right! No you are bang on, Brunstane station is about right.up to date view but from other direction and including the replaced bridge as discussed above. Note also the remnants of the bridge abutments of the avoiding lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted March 1, 2011 Author Share Posted March 1, 2011 We're back in the environs around the top end of the route again, amidst the various chords and flyovers of Niddrie, where this awesome shot of another Clayton and a short and very modelogenic raft of ten matching branded Leith Grain Warehouse wagons was captured, absolutely beautiful: http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=32963 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Nice - think its a new addition? If you click on the link for the railway description you'll see all the pictures for that line, and the next picture is a B&W shot of a Clayton on about 25 LGW grain hoppers! That's a lot of Parkside kits and Modelmaster transfers! Cheers, 26power We're back in the environs around the top end of the route again, amidst the various chords and flyovers of Niddrie, where this awesome shot of another Clayton and a short and very modelogenic raft of ten matching branded Leith Grain Warehouse wagons was captured, absolutely beautiful: http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=32963 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Anybody know what shade of red those hoppers are in? I have a 'short rake of ten' to build at some point in the not-too-distant future! Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 64B Posted March 2, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 2, 2011 Anybody know what shade of red those hoppers are in? I have a 'short rake of ten' to build at some point in the not-too-distant future! Dave. Dave There are a couple of articles on the old RMweb web site re the LGW wagons at: http://www.rmweb.co....&sd=a&hilit=lgw and http://www.rmweb.co....t=leith#p663498 Harburn Hobbies in Leith, Edinburgh now also stock these cottage style wagons - http://harburnhobbie...0__Wagons.html. There is also one of these wagons preserved at Boness. I was going to build some kits myself using the parksiide models but took the easy option and bought a number of the Harburns wagons instead. This is the second batch that Harburn have commissioned. The first batch were un-weathered and the second batch are weathered. Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Well now, it's about time I booted this back up onto page 1, and what better to do it with than a subtly weathered BFYE D8580 on a lesser featured part of the Carlisle - Edinburgh route, at Niddrie North Jct. Mini ploughs also feature, and the freight consist, although a local trip after closure of the through route, is very tasty Millerhill fare indeed. http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=32912 and I just noticed something very Haymarket about that headcode Very nice picture BR green suited these locos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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