coachmann Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 I have given this a wider airing to (hopefully) attract the atttention of LNWR modellers and signallers amongst you. I need a ground signal as illustrated below. A kit would be handy but I can build one if someone can supply good photos. Thank you in anticipation. Photo taken circa 1954 at Greenfield..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clecklewyke Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 I'm sure there s a good diagram in Nelson's "bible" and that MSE (Wizard) supply a kit. (I think I remember making one in the dim and distant past!) Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted October 9, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2012 The last survivor was at Aber (yes - the one down the road from you) on the down refuge - it went ca 1976 (just avoided me photographing it). LNWR signalling has information on them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 I wonder if anyone has an image they can post or PM to me....? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 9, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2012 I don't know if these are what you are looking for, at Rugby circa 1950. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 9, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2012 I've just remembered, the Ratio LNWR signal kit includes four LNWR ground signals. They are listed as available at various stockists.. I did make some a long time ago for a previous layout so can't remember much about them! David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted October 9, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2012 It's a revolving ground signal rather than a miniature arm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 9, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2012 It's a revolving ground signal rather than a miniature arm Many thanks for that, I don't think I've got a photo then. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 Thanks Dave Beast. I had a feeling it was revolving but wondered if my thoughts were tinged with North American practice. Anyway I got as far as DaveF's post and immedietly ordered a Ratio LNWR signal kit. Looks like the LNWR semaphore ground signals will have to do. I was offered some scatchbuilt LNWR signals but none are applicable to my situation unfortunately. Re. the photos at Rugby, the third coach is in experimental (LNWR) split white and plum livery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted October 9, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2012 The LNWR had two distinct types of ground signal. Up to 1915, the used a rotating lamp type, which is what is in the first photo. After 1915 they introduced a new type, which is the miniature arm illustrated in the second & third photo. It is the latter type, which is contained in the Ratio kit. Full details, including good drawings and photos of both types, are in Richard Foster's book on LNWR signalling. Quite honestly, you could get away with a very basic box (perhaps made from plasticard or a right sized plastruct/evergreen section) for the rotating lamp type, mounting it on a brass wire pivot, as long as you had the drawing to get the size right. A blob of something for the lens and a spot of paint and I reckon it would take all of ten minutes! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 ...A blob of something for the lens and a spot of paint and I reckon it would take all of ten minutes! Or, you could take a little longer as in the case of richbrummit's GWR point disc, a similar but contemporary example from a different company. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 I believe this may be what you are after.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted October 9, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2012 That's the third of the 2 types ( ) ... The flap front. It's difficult to see if it's a flap or a rotating signal which has not had discs fitted to it, the base looks cylindrical but it's unclear. But this is the one Ratio make. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 That's the third of the 2 types ( ) ... The flap front. It's difficult to see if it's a flap or a rotating signal which has not had discs fitted to it, the base looks cylindrical but it's unclear... I thought at first that it was some form of flap type, but the last two photos suggest it rotates when the lever is moved. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted October 9, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2012 I thought at first that it was some form of flap type, but the last two photos suggest it rotates when the lever is moved. Nick Yes, you are right - thats the problem with typing and helping kids write and print their homework, the brain gets overloaded. Using the Ratio kits is a good solution for Coach in any case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 That's the third of the 2 types ( ) ... The flap front. It's difficult to see if it's a flap or a rotating signal which has not had discs fitted to it, the base looks cylindrical but it's unclear. But this is the one Ratio make. Any chance of a picture of the front of the two miniature arms beast66606? The arms look like they are held on with five halfwit bolts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted October 9, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2012 Any chance of a picture of the front of the two miniature arms beast66606? The arms look like they are held on with five halfwit bolts? Haven't got one scanned I'm afraid, I'll try and scan one on Thursday - but no promises, depends on work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 9, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2012 Any chance of a picture of the front of the two miniature arms beast66606? The arms look like they are held on with five halfwit bolts? Here's our local one but I no idea at all what the owning preservationist might have done to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clecklewyke Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Wizard Models' web site has what you want - under GS004/1 LNWR rotating head ground signals - 2 in etched brass for £4.50 and rather more robust than Ratio's plastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 I am overwhelmed...........A lot more valuable information than I expected...Great! I have a Ratio LNW signal kit on order and will write to Wizard Models tomorrow as their online shop is not available. Thank very much to everyone. Much appreciated. Larry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted October 10, 2012 Author Share Posted October 10, 2012 Ratio LNWR signal kit arrived today. In case it's me, I have posted a shot of the parts....Can anyone see the miniature arms for ground signals? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debs. Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Would they be the two wee-things, 'end to end', third from left, second row down? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted October 10, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2012 2 of them hth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted October 10, 2012 Author Share Posted October 10, 2012 Debs and Beast, you are treasures! I looked for ages but now they have been pointed out they're bluddy obvious! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Steve Hewitt Posted October 10, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2012 If you want a brass version of the miniature arm type, Scale Signal Supply do a 4mm and 7mm scale etch. My post http://www.rmweb.co....__fromsearch__1 details how I built it up. I also cut one down for a single arm version, which is documented in http://www.rmweb.co....ly/page__st__25 starting at Post no. 28. Steve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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