jeff alvey Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Is there a significance to the white diagonal stripe on the side of the 16 ton mineral wagons? It appears to be at the same end of the wagon on both sides. Apologies if I am being thick here, but I am old. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 It is to indicated the end where the end door is. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steven B Posted October 9, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2012 It shows which end of the wagon the end door is located - in many locations including ports the wagons were empted by being tipped and so needed orientating the correct direction for the tipper. Some wagons have a white chevron pointing downwards indicating that the wagon has a door in the wagon floor. Happy modelling. Steven B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classsix T Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 As far as I know Jeff, it indicates which end the tipper door is. C6T. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff alvey Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 Bloody marvelous gentlemen! It has bugged me for years. I didn't think it was a "go faster stripe" but was fairly sure it must have had some significance. Now you have so kindly and quickly provided the (now obvious) answer I can relax. Thanks again - what a site this is !!! Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 As Steven B has already mentioned ports were amongst the locations where wagons were tipped on coal hoists for this reason they all needed to be the same way round. Not 16t minerals, but their larger cousins, 21t minerals (MDOs), seen here in the East End Sidings at Swansea Docks, they are too distant and rusty to clearly make out the diagonal white stripes but note how they are all arranged with the end door at the end nearest the camera. 08259 is about to haul a rake of them down to the coal hoists, 9/11/83 cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff alvey Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 Cheers to you too! Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fender Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 so those yards had mini-turntables to turn them round? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 I'm not sure that many yards had wagon turntables but the coal tips at Barry Docks certainly did - hand operated if I recall correctly. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 I'm not sure that many yards had wagon turntables but the coal tips at Barry Docks certainly did - hand operated if I recall correctly. Chris Swansea had them on the approach to the tips (IIRC, the tips were at 90 degrees to the approach tracks.); given the wagons would almost always have worked to and from the same locations, once they had been aligned correctly the first time, they would have remained so. That is, until some sent them on a route with an unscheduled reversal, such as running from Pantyffynnon into Llandeilo Junction yard, or from the District Line via Briton Ferry Yard, rather than to the docks. There was a triangular junction about where the photographer was standing, which could be used to turn entire trains; I suspect it fell out of use in the mid-1970s, when the Morriston branch shut. The GWR did have some end-door wagons with doors at both ends. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyC Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 A 16T mineral wagon being discharged through the end door at Niddrie Landsale Yard, Edinburgh in 1971/72 Jeremy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 B018.JPGA 16T mineral wagon being discharged through the end door at Niddrie Landsale Yard, Edinburgh in 1971/72 Jeremy So, looking at the photo, each wagon would have to be the same way round, detached, shunted singularly into the tippler and unloaded and shunted away separately? Must've taken some time to empty a long train. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Ah...... I was looking at the pulley cables as if they were in front of the wagon. I think they are either side of the rails. So you would be able to push the wagons through and detach each one to empty it but then just push it though with the next one? Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Ah...... I was looking at the pulley cables as if they were in front of the wagon. I think they are either side of the rails. So you would be able to push the wagons through and detach each one to empty it but then just push it though with the next one? Jim That would seem to be the case. There were similar set-ups elsewhere, at Lincoln, and at Corrall's (Dible's Wharf), but these used two tipping platforms, tipping towards the middle, so that wagons could be tipped regardless of which end the door was at. IIRC, there are some photos on here:- http://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/collections/72157626615799749/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted March 2, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 2, 2013 Link to my photos of the set up at Lincoln. http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/5630919426/in/set-72157626398363537/ Then move forwards and backwards in the slide show. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 That would seem to be the case. There were similar set-ups elsewhere, at Lincoln, and at Corrall's (Dible's Wharf), but these used two tipping platforms, tipping towards the middle, so that wagons could be tipped regardless of which end the door was at. IIRC, there are some photos on here:-http://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/collections/72157626615799749/ There is a youtube clip there too: Very interesting! Are there any OO/HO kits available of some kind of wagon tippler? Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 There is a youtube clip there too: Very interesting! Are there any OO/HO kits available of some kind of wagon tippler? Jim The only ones I've seen have been scratch-built. They're probably not that difficult a project, though finding a way to top-hinge the end doors, yet find a way of keeping them locked in transit would be more difficult- mind you, this could be a problem on the prototype.. A rotary tippler might be easier in operational terms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 The only ones I've seen have been scratch-built. They're probably not that difficult a project, though finding a way to top-hinge the end doors, yet find a way of keeping them locked in transit would be more difficult- mind you, this could be a problem on the prototype..A rotary tippler might be easier in operational terms. Hmmmmmmm, I might have the tippler in a shed so I can "simulate" the operations! I didn't attach the YouTube link to Barrington Quarry Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvdlcs Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Hello. I have vague memories of Hornby making something like this some years ago (1970s/1980s) complete with a wagon - probably a wooden 7 plank - with operating end door. Rather than tipping into the ground I think it tipped into a hopper which could then be used to fill something that was underneath. Hope this helps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 I don't understand why the youtube link doesn't post? I copied it and it shows on the text box before posting but disappears once I have posted it. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Hello. I have vague memories of Hornby making something like this some years ago (1970s/1980s) complete with a wagon - probably a wooden 7 plank - with operating end door. Rather than tipping into the ground I think it tipped into a hopper which could then be used to fill something that was underneath. Hope this helps. Yeh! I remember that sort of thing. As a kid I always wanted the hopper unloading set with a "consett" hopper wagon that auto opened and closed. I had just "discovered" the hopper unloading siding at Allington Quarry near Maidstone. I eventually found a set at a exhibition 35 years later! Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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