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[Headstock]

Thanks, that makes sense. Efficient expansive working.

 

Not like this then, when Nunney Castle does heroic battle with the slopes of Hemerdon. I ain't going any faster but nothings gonna stop me.

 

[Compound2632]

Not like this then, when Nunney Castle does heroic battle with the slopes of Hemerdon. I ain't going any faster but nothings gonna stop me.

 

 

Incomplete combustion there too...

[Guest Brighton_JunctionLNER]

A question, please.

 

Does anyone know the edition of BRM in which the supplement on David Jenkinson's Kendal branch appeared, please?

 

I photographed it after David's death in 2004, so it would have appeared later in 2004 or in 2005/6. 

 

Regarding Little Bytham pre-War - I'm up for it. I have a V2 in LNER green and a Klondike (that's it). 

 

How about some time next year, in the summer? I'll accommodate those from Aus, I'll clear all my stock off and, weather-permitting, do a barbeque. I'll also arrange for a DVD to be made. 

 

So, anything from Grantham, please, plus The Green Howard's Silver Jubilee, Tom's Coronation and uncle Tom Cobbly and all.............................

ill over in july next year for a holiday actually, could this actually go ahead? hmmmm

[Killybegs]

Not like this then, when Nunney Castle does heroic battle with the slopes of Hemerdon. I ain't going any faster but nothings gonna stop me.

 

 

I used to stay with cousins close to Hemerdon Bank back in the early 60's. I don't recall steam loco's making such hard work of it, although long trains (which the one in the clip isn't) were usually double headed. Quality of coal?

[Tony Teague]

Tony

The "LB Retrospective" idea has really taken hold.

Despite my Southern affiliations, I do have a range of LNER horse boxes, vans, pigeon vans & wagons which I am hoping will win me sufficient grovelling rights that I might join the assembled company!

(Sample offering!)

Tony

[Barry O]

Tony

 

remember the saga of the telephone posts for LB?

 

We had a similar problem looming on Chapel en le Frith our new club layout. Step forward Andy Morris, 3D CADD supremo

in the club and ..

 

one set of posts ready to plant.. designed Sunday, printed Monday, arrived Wednesday ...first one planted last night

 

 

the joys of modern technology!

 

Baz

[Mallard60022]

Tony

 

remember the saga of the telephone posts for LB?

 

We had a similar problem looming on Chapel en le Frith our new club layout. Step forward Andy Morris, 3D CADD supremo

in the club and ..

loads of telegraph posts.jpg

 

one set of posts ready to plant.. designed Sunday, printed Monday, arrived Wednesday ...first one planted last night

 

£D printed telegraph poles.jpg

 

the joys of modern technology!

 

Baz

Blimey, that puts the 'Beast' on Peterborough North in the fourth division. That is a superb piece of work. Income for the Club for commissions?

Phil 

[Barry O]

He sells them on the Shapeways shop along with various other bits of 3D Cadded items he has designed and produced...

even N gauge locos

Baz

[Mallard60022]

I used to stay with cousins close to Hemerdon Bank back in the early 60's. I don't recall steam loco's making such hard work of it, although long trains (which the one in the clip isn't) were usually double headed. Quality of coal?

8 on was/is about the limit for a single loco westbound. eastbound (sorry) Somebody like Stationmaster will know that.  I have some Peter Handford recordings and this isn't untypical. Perhaps a little less driver and firing experience these days as well as 'problems' with coal no doubt? I think this particular clip actually shows some good driving control on the steepest section and typical Castle performance, however it did sound as if it was going to stall at one point.

Lovely sight and sound.

Phil 

Edited June 29, 2017 by Mallard60022

[Focalplane]

Just a thought, all those GWR inclines, don't forget the northern ones as well, might well have induced Collett to use slightly smaller diameter drivers on the Kings? I seem to remember people refering to Castles as the race horses while the Kings were designed for heavier loads.

[ArthurK]

Thanks Tony, for your kind words and to you and Mo for hosting me again. Ellen was really chuffed with your comments!

 

As for my efforts, I will describe them in turn. I'm not sure how to embed any comments with the pictures above, so I'm afraid those interested will have to scroll up.

 

'The Wolf' is the A2/2 that some of you will remember Tony helped me get started earlier this year. I had finished her (bar the painting) to the point where she run beautifully as a chassis or an 0-6-2 with the body on, but the front bogie didn't agree with the body! Tony told me I had far too much slop (I think he meant the model!), and proceeded to solder washers onto the bogie attachment bar together with creating a shouldered bolt so that it fitted precisely, as well as using the washer to move the bogie back c.1mm so that it lined up with the wheel arches and didn't foul the front footsteps - now it runs superbly as a 4-6-2. To say I'm delighted with it would be an understatement - I have built many white metal bodies before, but never made a chassis work, nor dealt with brass/ white metal combos, so I've learnt a lot.

 

The 1935 steel artics are Mousa sides on Hornby Gresley shorty bodies. I found this a very easy and cost effective combo, although if I were to do them again I'd pay more attention to the underframe which isn't quite right.

 

The Artic sleepers are still work in progress, but are a d.161/2 pair as ran in the Aberdonian from the mid '30s to the late '50s. These are created from cut and shut Kirk kits and while they are not up to Brass kit standards, I'm really pleased with them as they are a very rare coach to see modelled (there were only two prototypes ever built and I've never seen one modelled), and the third class took a very large number of cuts - see below.

IMG_1192.JPG

 

Many thanks to Andrew (Headstock) and Jonathon Weallans for their help in sourcing prototype info. Andrew it was good to meet you at Quorn - did you say that you'd found another prototype photo?

 

E3083 is a Doncaster Mk 1 prototype FO as ran in the 2.10pm King's Cross - York and Hull in the late '50s. It is made from Southern Pride sides and a old style Hornby Mk 1 donor. I brought it along to illustrate a really easy and cost effective way of building some rare

Mk1 coaches, as the sides come pre-printed, so all you have to do is remove the screws in the bottom of the donor coach, replace the sides which are a direct replacement - no glue or cutting necessary, then add a number and some brass door handles which can be superglued in. This has the potential to go wrong if you are as clumsy as me as I got superglue on one of the windows, but it's not too evident. Then a few changes to the roof vents and an interior and it's finished. At under £5 for a donor (typical second hand price) and £6.50 for the sides from Southern Pride, I think this is a really good value and easy coach conversion. I've done several BSO's and a couple of prototypes.

 

Finally, E1767E is a Thompson sleeper and will form part of my Aberdonian rake. It's made from Bill Bedford sides on a pair of Hornby Gresley Shorty chassis, but and shut to 66' length. Underframe details are a mixture of Kirk and MJT. I'm really pleased with the way this has turned out - it's so much easier painting maroon than masking for crimson and cream!

 

Rather than chopping up other kits I went the whole hog and scratch built a pair from Plasticard. The beading is a bit heavy but it came out pretty well.

 

 

Pity  about the hair that got in!

 

I built a buffet car and bogie brake at the same time.

 

ArthurK

[grob1234]

Wow Arthur! Amazing.

[Willie Whizz]

Not like this then, when Nunney Castle does heroic battle with the slopes of Hemerdon. I ain't going any faster but nothings gonna stop me.

 

 

Heroic indeed.  Who could say some of the things in the Thomas stories were unrealistic after seeing that?!

 

"I can't do it" ... "I will do it" ...

 

I was particularly impressed by the smoke appearing to get ever blacker the further up the incline the loco got.

[Compound2632]

I was particularly impressed by the smoke appearing to get ever blacker the further up the incline the loco got.

 

I thought the brick arch had collapsed...

[jrg1]

If you manage to stage a retro LB, will we see Sam Fays and B3s on expresses?

[richard i]

Rather than chopping up other kits I went the whole hog and scratch built a pair from Plasticard. The beading is a bit heavy but it came out pretty well.

 

Slide1242A.jpg

 

Pity  about the hair that got in!

 

I built a buffet car and bogie brake at the same time.

 

ArthurK

I found it was paint brush hairs that insisted in staying on the coach during painting.

I can contribute a quadart once it is lettered up.

 

Just need to get them from the states. This endeavor could also see the widest geographical spread of contributing stock. Any from Africa or South America?

As to seeing B2 and B3 running yes please. My B3 is only a collection of bits and a vague idea how I might get them to fit together.

Finally where did the 600's go? Only seemed like last week that we started in them.

Richard

[Tom F]

Hi Tony

 

I know we had spoken about doing something LNER based for a future video. Just to add if you are seriously looking into doing something, I'd be happy to film it.

 

For those interested, these are the two previous videos I've done. The second one in particular worked out well thanks to Tony's direction.

 

 

Edited June 29, 2017 by 9793

[thegreenhowards]

Rather than chopping up other kits I went the whole hog and scratch built a pair from Plasticard. The beading is a bit heavy but it came out pretty well.

 

Slide1242A.jpg

 

Pity  about the hair that got in!

 

I built a buffet car and bogie brake at the same time.

 

ArthurK

Arthur,

 

That's beautiful! Tony did say to me that he would have started from scratch rather than cut up Kirk kits - but he was talking brass! I don't think I'd have the patience to cut out all those windows.

 

Regards

 

Andy

[ArthurK]

Arthur,

 

That's beautiful! Tony did say to me that he would have started from scratch rather than cut up Kirk kits - but he was talking brass! I don't think I'd have the patience to cut out all those windows.

 

Regards

 

Andy

 

Andy

 

Cutting the windows was the easy bit. The tumbleholme (spelling?) was formed by shaping several layers of plasticard then applying a final layer over the top. The glazing was slid in from roof level between the aforementioned layers after painting of the sides was complete. The roof was formed by heating plasticard, over a carved former, under the oven grill then quickly pressing a block of form down on it completing the shaping while it cools. Each roof takes about  thirty seconds but setting it up takes a bit longer. I used 20thou material. The hardest part is carving off the excess to achieve a nice fit.

 

I made  a Sentinel railcar (sides, ends and roof) using the same technique. 

 

Note: don't use a gas grill. It's too severe and I achieved a very wrinkled result!!!

 

Arthur

Edited June 29, 2017 by ArthurK

[The Stationmaster]

I used to stay with cousins close to Hemerdon Bank back in the early 60's. I don't recall steam loco's making such hard work of it, although long trains (which the one in the clip isn't) were usually double headed. Quality of coal?

 

Probably down to the coal (lots of incomplete combustion) and maybe inexperienced handling or not having the fire properly built up before leaving Plymouth(?) or did it maybe have a PW speed to contend with at the bottom of the bank?  

 

Whichever or whatever that train is below the 1962 single engine load of 315 tons trailing for a 'Castle' climbing Hemerdon and not too much different from the 1927 load of 288 tons trailing for a 'Star' (with a clear run through Plympton).

[Mike 84C]

I thought the brick arch had collapsed...

I know the loco would not have got very far if it had!  Good enginemanship I thought with smoke appearing when firing. I have never been that slowly with a passenger but I have never fired on the Devon banks! And; I'll bet the crew were glad it was not raining!

[Mallard60022]

I know the loco would not have got very far if it had!  Good enginemanship I thought with smoke appearing when firing. I have never been that slowly with a passenger but I have never fired on the Devon banks! And; I'll bet the crew were glad it was not raining!

Yes, I'm no expert but I thought there was not a lot of 'clag' and the exhaust was clean steam most of the time.

My last steam hauled ride up Hemerdon was behind a DC Castle around 62/63 and that was down to walking pace 2/3 the way up. However IIRC that Castle was externally run down but seemed mechanically sound. I will have details of that loco somewhere but I doubt I noted the load. I can't even remember where I was going that day! (What's changed?)

Philth

Edited June 29, 2017 by Mallard60022

[Headstock]

Just to redress the balance, a fine clip of 5043 over Shap, a better engine than 5029 in my opinion.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6ol0rXVXZI

 

And the NRM's two and a half cylinder V2 slogging up Hemerdon.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knuXHDVR9uU

[gr.king]

If you manage to stage a retro LB, will we see Sam Fays and B3s on expresses?

 

I imagine that a Sam or two will be available, at least. Plans for a B3 exist, but the "to build" list keeps getting re-shuffled!

[Focalplane]

A Castle on Shap! Wonderful.  Tyseley has done wonders with Edgecombe.

 

When I was doing fieldwork there (Shap) in the late 1960s the M6 was still under construction but the only steam in the area was on the S&C - I saw a 9F on the bridge at Kirby Stephen in 1967.

 

The views of the mountains east of Tebay are nicely shown in this film, usually they don't exist due to low clouds.  Boy, do I wish for  time machine!