Michael Delamar Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Hi chaps I wonder if anyone can identify the loco's in this sequence from 15minutes in.. #! thanks Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMJ Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 From many of the documents I have seen whilst looking up locos built in Leeds they usually say delivered to Liverpool for export and a date. There are probably similar records for Vulcan. Fortunately there were no way as many locos as Glasgow or Leeds built so it should be fairly easy to find a list for a specific year. The angle to the number plate on the steamer was a bit too much to give any clues. It looks a bit like the types of locos used in India or South Africa (or one of the colonian countries). http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/nra/onlinelists/GB%200136%20B-VF.pdf See item B/VF/5/1 - 7 As this points you to the list of locos built - reference to these in the Liverpool archives.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I'd agree with the African theory First (steam) one looks like something intended for the Sudan or Uganda (i.e. not a Garratt). Diesel could be for Egypt (the West Germans were building similar-looking designs for the Egyptians as well at about this time) - the nose is very English Electric. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I think they may be the RENFE 77xx Electrics - the date is spot on and they have the classic EE export cabs http://www.enuii.org/vulcan_foundry/photographs/locomotives/Electric/Renfe%20Vulcan%20English%20Electric.JPG , alternatively the Victorian Railways L class http://www.pjv101.net/fts/u01/bl102.jpg around the same time. The Sudan diesels were built just a bit too late. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnaby Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Interesting post Mike from my home city. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 15, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 15, 2013 The diesel is most likely a 1200 Class for Queensland Railways - the body style matches as does the date. I wonder about East Africa for the steam loco? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted January 15, 2013 Author Share Posted January 15, 2013 The diesel is most likely a 1200 Class for Queensland Railways - the body style matches as does the date. the crate of Hilman car parts has AUS on it so if its going on the same ship then id agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted January 15, 2013 Author Share Posted January 15, 2013 I think they may be the RENFE 77xx Electrics - the date is spot on and they have the classic EE export cabs http://www.enuii.org/vulcan_foundry/photographs/locomotives/Electric/Renfe%20Vulcan%20English%20Electric.JPG , actually I think you may be right, has the more angular shape and the covered up grills match, as does the cab roof shape and front lights. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted January 15, 2013 Author Share Posted January 15, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_mokblI83g and for anyone wanting to model one.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I believe these are in the 'Electrotren' part of the Hornby International new releases for this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted January 15, 2013 Author Share Posted January 15, 2013 the steam loco is right hand drive if that is a clue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGomez Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Although it is very similar to the RENFE 77xx class its lacking the side lights, unless they were added at a later date? http://www.ferropedia.es/wiki/Renfe_Serie_277 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted January 15, 2013 Author Share Posted January 15, 2013 there was a Brazilian version according to this. http://www.enuii.org/vulcan_foundry/photographs/Pre%20EE%20Diesel/RENFE%201952-55.pdf check out 11mins50 for the Spanish version and the Brazilian version at 16.10, it looks like the Spanish version is delivered in its colours so maybe thats a clue too? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYjXWmrI160 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovenor Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 The steamer I am 90% sure is an East African 31xx class 2-8-4, the cab, running boards, tender all match well, number plate is the right size and shape. 3101 to 3146 were built at Vulcan in 1955-56. The 30xx class was very similar and built at the same time, but by North British. Diesel looks very similar to the Rhodesian DE2 but cab door vents are missing so probably one of the other options people have mentioned. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovenor Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Here are pics of the two locos mentioned above, the DE2 deliveries started in 1955 so contemporary with the 31xx. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 The smokebox door is very "8F" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted January 16, 2013 Author Share Posted January 16, 2013 would say that looks like the steam loco, only thing is is the date, the film is 1954 and the delivery date is 1955. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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