Whitby fish traffic

[scottiedog]

Don't know if this helps anyone?

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/5880637093/in/photostream/

 

Matt

 Thanks for the link, Matt. In the light of the photograph the planked loads in some of my wagons will now have tarpaulin covers - now why did I not think of that beforehand! I will have them up and running when Stainsby appears at The Wigan Show in June.

[Sasquatch]

Now I know what to load all those open wagons up with, I do have plenty of wood off cuts after all!!

Edited February 18, 2013 by Sasquatch

[QuoitsPlayer]

Decided to 'waste' a few hours on flickr and thought these might be helpful:

 

The daily Whitby Malton pick up goods. Is that a fish van 7th from the loco?:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/7830244760/

 

DMU passing goods train outside of Whitby:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/2407924893/

 

So sad:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22370569@N02/4999236983/in/photostream/

 

Bog Hall Whitby two month after closure of lines to Malton and Scarborough:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/71871795@N03/7393833532/in/photostream

 

Vans at Whitby:

http://www.davidheyscollection.com/userimages/00000-k-taylor-whitby-50G.jpg

 

Don't how the viaduct went off level!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/373568/Return-to-the-land-that-Beeching-forgot

 

I don't know if this helps anyone but I have a scaled plan of Robin Hoods Bay station, Fyling Hall and Staintondale (possibly) I could scan if of any use plus one or two other odds and ends on the coast line.

 

Matt 

Edited February 17, 2013 by QuoitsPlayer

[SwissRailPassion]

Friends who used to work on the coast line told me in the eighties that a fish train used to come down the coast through Bridlington at 8-8.30pm from Scarborough and Whitby as a regular working in the 50s etc.

[Sasquatch]

Decided to 'waste' a few hours on flickr and thought these might be helpful:

 

The daily Whitby Malton pick up goods. Is that a fish van 7th from the loco?:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/7830244760/

 

DMU passing goods train outside of Whitby:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/2407924893/

 

So sad:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22370569@N02/4999236983/in/photostream/

 

Bog Hall Whitby two month after closure of lines to Malton and Scarborough:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/71871795@N03/7393833532/in/photostream

 

Vans at Whitby:

http://www.davidheyscollection.com/userimages/00000-k-taylor-whitby-50G.jpg

 

Don't how the viaduct went off level!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/373568/Return-to-the-land-that-Beeching-forgot

 

I don't know if this helps anyone but I have a scaled plan of Robin Hoods Bay station, Fyling Hall and Staintondale (possibly) I could scan if of any use plus one or two other odds and ends on the coast line.

 

Matt 

Thanks Matt. Great stuff this, Ivatt class 2, Thompson non corridor stock and fish vans!

 

 

Not relevent to the topic but well worth posting is this rather depressing short film. Most worthy of note is the chap using the saw towards the end! Health and safety obviously hadn't been invented back in 1966.

The whole opperation would make for interesting modeling which I'm now considering for the master plan when we buy our new house and I get to build the layout building!

Edited February 18, 2013 by Sasquatch

[MarkC]

Friends who used to work on the coast line told me in the eighties that a fish train used to come down the coast through Bridlington at 8-8.30pm from Scarborough and Whitby as a regular working in the 50s etc.

 

Very interesting. Thanks. Presumably it would run to Hull docks then. I'd love to know more about that. Time to start digging.

 

Mark

[MarkC]

Decided to 'waste' a few hours on flickr and thought these might be helpful:

 

The daily Whitby Malton pick up goods. Is that a fish van 7th from the loco?:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/7830244760/

 

DMU passing goods train outside of Whitby:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/2407924893/

 

So sad:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22370569@N02/4999236983/in/photostream/

 

Bog Hall Whitby two month after closure of lines to Malton and Scarborough:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/71871795@N03/7393833532/in/photostream

 

Vans at Whitby:

http://www.davidheyscollection.com/userimages/00000-k-taylor-whitby-50G.jpg

 

Don't how the viaduct went off level!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/373568/Return-to-the-land-that-Beeching-forgot

 

I don't know if this helps anyone but I have a scaled plan of Robin Hoods Bay station, Fyling Hall and Staintondale (possibly) I could scan if of any use plus one or two other odds and ends on the coast line.

 

Matt 

Great links, Matt - love the shot of Larpool viaduct!!!

 

Mark

[QuoitsPlayer]

If I hadn't seen it I wouldn't of believed it LMS coaches coming to Whitby!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/7808420168/

 

Suitable motive power:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kerryp28/6751089525/

 

Final day, final hours once this leaves just a couple of departures to go, aren't those Fish boxes stacked up in the bottom right?:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/5881195942/in/set-72157626944174295

 

The York bound DMU looks to be taking some sort of van:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/5881202054/in/photostream/lightbox/

 

In Martin Bairstow's 'Railways Around Whitby Volume Two' he states that the coast line from Whitby to Scarborough closed to freight on the 4 August 1964 six months before passenger services were abandoned. Bairstow also mentions the plight of a man at Hawsker building a house who suddenly found he had to go to Whitby for his bricks!

 

At least today 2013 the NYMR and Network Rail are going to rebuild Platfrom 2 and restore the centre road so the station is more than just a single track siding!

Matt

Edited February 18, 2013 by QuoitsPlayer

[the penguin of doom]

Decided to 'waste' a few hours on flickr and thought these might be helpful:

 

The daily Whitby Malton pick up goods. Is that a fish van 7th from the loco?:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/7830244760/

 

DMU passing goods train outside of Whitby:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/2407924893/

 

So sad:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22370569@N02/4999236983/in/photostream/

 

Bog Hall Whitby two month after closure of lines to Malton and Scarborough:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/71871795@N03/7393833532/in/photostream

 

Vans at Whitby:

http://www.davidheyscollection.com/userimages/00000-k-taylor-whitby-50G.jpg

 

Don't how the viaduct went off level!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/373568/Return-to-the-land-that-Beeching-forgot

 

I don't know if this helps anyone but I have a scaled plan of Robin Hoods Bay station, Fyling Hall and Staintondale (possibly) I could scan if of any use plus one or two other odds and ends on the coast line.

 

Matt 

Some great shots there Matt.

 

The one at Bog Hall is especially helpful to me as it shows the interior of the water tank. S@#s law dictates I've just about completed my model of the one at Brid, but I think I've got it about right.

 

Cheers.

 

Sean.

[Boris]

Those water tanks are all about the same, I'll climb into the one at Goathland at some point and photo all the kit in there.

 

I'm intrigued by this fish train though, I can't find anything at all about it in my 1953 WTT.

[byron]

Those water tanks are all about the same, I'll climb into the one at Goathland at some point and photo all the kit in there.

 

I'm intrigued by this fish train though, I can't find anything at all about it in my 1953 WTT.

 

The train was perhaps a Control special, ran as and when traffic was available.

 

Mike

[Worsdell forever]

The York bound DMU looks to be taking some sort of van:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/5881202054/in/photostream/lightbox/

 

Looking at the roof profile I'd say it was a short parcels van.

 

[Boris]

Looking at that DMU, its going to be an interesting run up to Summit with a centre car and tail traffic, its within the weight limit, with a power twin being allowed the equivalent of 5 vanfits as tail traffic.  Don't forget as well though that during the mid to late 60s DMUs were regularly used to shunt at Whitby as there was often nothing else available to do it, although if you did that at an exhibition there would be howls of outrage from the floor!

[QuoitsPlayer]

Don't forget as well though that during the mid to late 60s DMUs were regularly used to shunt at Whitby as there was often nothing else available to do it, although if you did that at an exhibition there would be howls of outrage from the floor!

According to 'Railways Around Whitby: Volume Two' Tom Roberston, the Whitby Station Master, was doing this throughout the 70's until the closure of the goods yard at Whitby in 1983!

 

On DCC the Bachmann Class 108, with the 36-553 decoder, is a very good shunter I have tried it!

 

Matt

[Stuart]

Looking at the roof profile I'd say it was a short parcels van.

Might well be a Thompson BZ - there are some videos on the market showing Malton-Whitby DMUs hauling such vans as tail traffic.

 

Stu

[MarkC]

 if you did that at an exhibition there would be howls of outrage from the floor!

I would be SO tempted to do just that, especially if known 'rivet counters' were in the vicinity. Appropriate photo evidence to hand, of course...

 

Maybe it's just my sense of humour

 

Mark

[Bernard Lamb]

I would be SO tempted to do just that, especially if known 'rivet counters' were in the vicinity. Appropriate photo evidence to hand, of course...

 

Maybe it's just my sense of humour

 

Mark

Or even a steam loco pulling a DMU.

Seen a photo once of, I think, a Black 5 hauling a Derby Lightweight into Carlisle.

Bernard

[QuoitsPlayer]

I would be SO tempted to do just that, especially if known 'rivet counters' were in the vicinity. Appropriate photo evidence to hand, of course...

 

Maybe it's just my sense of humour

 

Mark

It would be so funny!  

Promise you the Bachmann 108 is and excellent shunter! 

[Derekstuart]

Hello all

 

I know this is an old thread, and I've already posted my question elsewhere, so I will make this point brief.

 

Does anyone here have any knowledge of the former yard at Whitby? Or whether any publications (Railways around Whitby for example) would have any pictures of the yard- specifically the Andrews goods shed- taken from the EAST side? (I have plenty of the side from the running roads). I am building a P4 model from stops to Prospect Hill, lower junction (Bog Hall) and I can't find any info about the interior of the yard, except as background for photos on the running lines. (Yes, I have looked at the other links on this thread- very useful but still missing this one thing).

Any advice would be appreciated. There are many publications out there of varying "usefulness"- but finding the useful ones can be challenging, so any advice on this would be greatly appreciated.

 

Many thanks and sorry for bumping the thread.
Derek

[Sasquatch]

Hi Derek.

Have you tried this  site.

 

Regards Shaun

[Sasquatch]

This page has maps from different eras, scroll down on the right.
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/find/#zoom=17&lat=54.48184&lon=-0.61405&layers=39

[Boris]

I think this is actually a fairly easy one, IIRC there is a plan of the Goods Shed in one of the North Eastern Record books.  There are also I think several photos in Philip Benhams book but I'll have a look and get back to you, the other person to ask what that side looked like is Wurzell Gummage Worsdell Forever who may be able to point you in the right direction for plans.  There are 4-5 decent photos as well of the yard taken earlier on by Sutcliffe which are quite good for referance.

 

[Market65]

Hi, Derkstuart. Have you access to the book 'North-Eastern Branch Line Termini by Ken Hoole, 1985, ISBN 0-86093-219-2,?  Chapter six covers Whitby in detail, and figure 9A gives a scale drawing of the Goods Shed. Probably, and most importantly, there is a detailed track plan, which covers the yard which you are specifically enquiring about, with the track layout and the position of the yard cranes, coal stacks,etc,.This is to be found on the last page of the book.

 

I hope that this will of some use to you, and that your model will be very successful.

 

All the best,

 

Market65.

[Derekstuart]

Many thanks for the replies.

 

My apologies for being slow to acknowledge your kind replies- I haven't quite got to grips with this forum and inadvertently posted this question twice and didn't realise I had replies here.

 

I have bought maps now from old-maps.co.uk, but I did see the NLS ones- thanks. I've had a bit of a time scaling them up to use in Templot (excellent programme). I have read about Ken Hoole from several sources now so I will track down his books. I have just spoken to Cinerail and will be ordering 2 of their DVD's tomorrow- one of which is "Breakvan to Whitby" (Marsden) and the other "East Yorkshire Steam."

I still have plenty of time to research this accurately, as I really need to improve on the practical side first.

 

Again my sincere thanks for your help and advice. This is an unusual model and quite important to me; it was a project dreamt up by my (now) late Father and I. He was a steam driver based at Darlington and outstationed at Whitby some years back. I have the bit between my teeth now and I'm not letting go.

[QuoitsPlayer]

The Whitby Goods Shed taken from the East Cliff, hope this helps

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/71871795@N03/6495517793/in/photostream/