drewn Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 I have a number of old triang/Hornby freightliner wagons, all of which have "chunky" wheels ( an understatement if ever there was one!) Obviously they are not good on modern points, so I would ask the following:- What diameter are they ? Where would I source replacements? Over to you, guys Drew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 9mm disc, available from Markits/Romford or Alan Gibson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewn Posted April 18, 2013 Author Share Posted April 18, 2013 Thanks Brian Drew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Are these wagons not still made by Hornby? If so, the modern wheelsets should be available? East Kent Models, etc.? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 IIRC the Tri-ang small rolling stock wheels are 10mm in diameter (I'll see if I can find one to check), but fitting these will maintain the excessive ride height of the vehicle*. (The platform should be 940mm above rail level, according to the drawing in 'British Railway Wagons....' D Rowland.) www.ltsv.com/downloads/w_profile_018.pdf However checking the information available, I find conflicting data - p163 of the above book states wheels of 812mm (2' 8") with a platform 940mm (3' 1") above rail level. (This low level is necessary to keep the containers within the loading gauge, of course.) The diagram (p159) appears to show the wheels below the centre line of the inner couplings at 781mm (2' 6 3/4"), suggesting the above diameter is possibly incorrect. The entire headstock of the outer wagons is also above platform level. (The Tri-ang Hornby design solves this problem by ignoring the existence of the outer wagons.) *Necessary to give clearance for Tri-ang flanges and the dreadful Tri-ang Mk III couplings. EDIT: I could only find a set of Peco's replacement wheels, which are 10mm diameter. 9mm could be used or even standard US freight rolling stock wheels. Slight adjustment of the coupling height may be required. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Replacement wheels already covered above, although i want to say replacement wheel sets are 10.5mm ......i may be wrong it's been a long time since i got mine! The bogies themselves are too far from the rest of the flat. On the S-kits detailing pack one of the first steps is removing the bogies and taking a couple of mm off the pivot mount for a more correct ride height. With rigards to ride height, I've got a print out somewhere which seems to suggest there's 2 options. Not sure why and i don't have the print to hand but page 62 on this link has similar info: http://www.rgsonline.co.uk/Railway_Group_Standards/Infrastructure/Guidance%20Notes/GEGN8573%20Iss%202.pdf The 1016mm and 1039mm represent deck height. FFA/FGA flats are higher than KFAs which are 9XXmm high. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 I replaced the wheels on mine with some American ones many years ago but I cannot recall what they where! XF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delticman Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 I replaced the wheels on mine with some American ones many years ago but I cannot recall what they where! XF Yes I lowered my flats by removing the bogie rivets, taking about 2mm off the bogie pivot boss and fitting American HO wheelsets which were Proto 2000 from Model Junction Slough. They also stock a Kadee equivalent but they both work out at 10.5mm diameter which is perfect. Geoff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
(The) Youth Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 It says on colin Craig's site that his kits come with 10.5mm wheels Hth Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delticman Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 It says on colin Craig's site that his kits come with 10.5mm wheels Hth Simon Yes but the original question was how to improve the old Triang Hornby freightliner flats, the Colin Craig kits are superb but are quite complicated and not cheap. What we really need is Bachmann to produce the FFA and FGA to the standard of their current intermodal flats. Geoff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernowtim Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Take care when changing wheels as bogie moulding breaks quite easily,found this out the hard way when upgrading some old triang versions some years ago Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 These are a couple of Triang/Hornby Freightliner flats I detailed some 30 years ago now. I don't think they are all that bad, but then again I go more for an overall impression rather than 100% accuracy. The FGA outer wagon has buffers and drawgear fitted at one end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 ^ It's simple things like the container mounting points on the side of the wagon and the brake wheel that make a lot of difference but are so minor the eye struggles to notice the change, but knows it's an improvement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
(The) Youth Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Yes but the original question was how to improve the old Triang Hornby freightliner flats, the Colin Craig kits are superb but are quite complicated and not cheap. What we really need is Bachmann to produce the FFA and FGA to the standard of their current intermodal flats. Geoff. I was saying what wheel size was included as there seems to be some confusion over correct wheel diameter that should be used Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 These are a couple of Triang/Hornby Freightliner flats I detailed some 30 years ago now. I don't think they are all that bad, but then again I go more for an overall impression rather than 100% accuracy. The FGA outer wagon has buffers and drawgear fitted at one end. All that little lettering, even the hand-brake direction arrows. Also I note extra lettering on the containers, especially the doors. Very nice... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delticman Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 I was saying what wheel size was included as there seems to be some confusion over correct wheel diameter that should be used Sorry Simon, I misunderstood your reply..........doh! Geoff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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