JohnH Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Sorry for all the questions, but... Just wondered when the bottled water traffic from Inverness started/finished? What were the main destinations for this traffic? Were a variety of air-braked vans used or was the traffic carried exclusively in VGA's? (as per the Ltd Edition Bachmann versions) How many wagons were involved? Has anyone any pictures of the traffic being loaded/unloaded? Thanks as always for any help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arran Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 lyhttp://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2754792 This is when it finished, it started about 18 months before that, and from memory they were in VGAs only, but it wouldn't surprise me if some VAA VBA vans were used also. I will look up some pics i might have. Regards Arran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnH Posted April 29, 2013 Author Share Posted April 29, 2013 Thanks for the information Arran - if you could post some photo's that would be very much appreciated. Many thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefreight Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 VAA's and VBA's commonly used in this flow in addition to VGA's, some with and some without the special livery. From memory destinations included Blackburn and Warrington Dallam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40044 Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Blackburn, Dallam, BDC, Avonmouth, Gidea Park. Can't think of any others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnH Posted May 6, 2013 Author Share Posted May 6, 2013 Thanks for the help Gents! So some of the VAA/VBA's had the Lovat Spring livery - any photo's on the web? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retbsignalman Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Hi! I recall the traffic working from Inverness with class 56s on the front, along with 37s and RES 47s before the 66s took over properly. Departures from Inverness could well have loaded OTAs, ferrywaggons, Safeway containers as well as the Lovat Spring traffic. One of the Lovat Spring VGAs was lurking on the Bicester Military Railway a couple of years ago - complete with logos. Cheers G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david12345 Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 They still seem to be getting used today http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=lovat+spring&m=text Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy Angus Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Harburn Hobbies did a limited edition twin pack of the Lovat Springs VGAs a few years back. Roddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 They still seem to be getting used today http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=lovat+spring&m=text Not for Lovat Spring, I suspect,but for MoD traffic. The only mineral water traffic by rail that I'm aware of is that to Daventry from various French locations for Danone. Highland Spring have run trials recently, but whether anything comes of it is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Not for Lovat Spring, I suspect,but for MoD traffic. Mmmm - spring water doesn't need hazmat stickers (if it does, stop drinking it!)... Anyone know how many vans carried the logo's - was it just 2? I have shots of 210527 (and there's another on that flickr link) - the other one on flickr is reportedly 210622....was it just those 2 with the logo's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cessna152towser Posted April 4, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2015 According to this web page there were 30 VGA/VKA vans in the Lovatt Spring water traffic pool in mid 1999. Some carried the vinyl ogos but doesn't say how many. http://www.ltsv.com/w_profile_029.php 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted April 4, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 4, 2015 I have a funny feeling that I've seen some of this traffic as far south as Marchwood Military Port, Southampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 I have a funny feeling that I've seen some of this traffic as far south as Marchwood Military Port, Southampton. See my previous post; it's not that the MoD have started being large consumers of mineral water, but that the vans have been transferred to an MoD Pool. I do wonder if any Scottish mineral water is transported south on the Inverness- Mossend- Daventry Tesco services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitbull1845 Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 I've got a picture somewhere of them on the Marchwood MOD, I'll try and find it and post it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class37418stag Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 lyhttp://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2754792This is when it finished, it started about 18 months before that, and from memory they were in VGAs only, but it wouldn't surprise me if some VAA VBA vans were used also.I will look up some pics i might have.Regards Arran Where loading bottle water into VGA at where siding ? From Lovat Spring water factory load on lorry to whereabouts siding for unloaded and loaded on VGA ? In Scotland Thank you I know out of business at 2001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exet1095 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 See my previous post; it's not that the MoD have started being large consumers of mineral water, but that the vans have been transferred to an MoD Pool. I do wonder if any Scottish mineral water is transported south on the Inverness- Mossend- Daventry Tesco services. We were in 2003 in Iraq. About 20,000 of us, getting through 4-8 big bottles of water a day. It was all sorts of branded stuff from the UK. Lots from AG Barr, and Buxton too. Plus all the Kuwaiti stuff as well. That mostly came by ship, presumably out of Marchwood, into the SPOD in Kuwait. Paul 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 We were in 2003 in Iraq. About 20,000 of us, getting through 4-8 big bottles of water a day. It was all sorts of branded stuff from the UK. Lots from AG Barr, and Buxton too. Plus all the Kuwaiti stuff as well. That mostly came by ship, presumably out of Marchwood, into the SPOD in Kuwait. The Lovat Spring traffic had finished though, and these vans ended up in the pool for any MOD traffic with the others. Whilst they might have moved any number of things between MOD stores, the presence of numerous ghosts of hazmat decals is a solid indicator they weren't in dedicated mineral water service! Again, if your mineral water comes with hazmat decals, stop drinking it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exet1095 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 The Lovat Spring traffic had finished though, and these vans ended up in the pool for any MOD traffic with the others. Whilst they might have moved any number of things between MOD stores, the presence of numerous ghosts of hazmat decals is a solid indicator they weren't in dedicated mineral water service! Again, if your mineral water comes with hazmat decals, stop drinking it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exet1095 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 The Lovat Spring traffic had finished though, and these vans ended up in the pool for any MOD traffic with the others. Whilst they might have moved any number of things between MOD stores, the presence of numerous ghosts of hazmat decals is a solid indicator they weren't in dedicated mineral water service! Again, if your mineral water comes with hazmat decals, stop drinking it! Funnily enough, that was covered on my Hazmat instructors course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class37418stag Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Hello everyone Who put comment by I am not aware to get correct info about how delivery from bottling plant to freight siding in Scotland for ready go south on rail to distribution Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Hello everyone Who put comment by I am not aware to get correct info about how delivery from bottling plant to freight siding in Scotland for ready go south on rail to distribution Thank you It would be loaded on to 'Tautliner' (curtain-sided) trailers and taken to the rail head. There, forklifts would transfer it to railway wagons. Depending on facilities, a stock might be kept at the rail terminal. One recent trial used curtain-sided swap-bodies; whether these were kept on the wagon at the terminal, and treated as vans would have been, or unloaded and taken to the bottling plant, I couldn't say. The sort of heavy-duty lifting gear to handle containers is expensive to hire, and requires a relatively level surface that can take heavy pressure from the combined weight of machine and containers, so possibly the water was loaded on to the containers at the terminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungrange Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Where loading bottle water into VGA at where siding ? From Lovat Spring water factory load on lorry to whereabouts siding for unloaded and loaded on VGA ? In Scotland Thank you I know out of business at 2001 Hello everyone Who put comment by I am not aware to get correct info about how delivery from bottling plant to freight siding in Scotland for ready go south on rail to distribution Thank you Andrew, The bottling plant that Arran linked to is at Culburnie, near Kiltarlity to the south of Beauly and therefore road transport must have been used to transport the water from the bottling plant to sidings at Millburn Yard, Inverness. This is the only local railhead, since the station at Beauly is no more than a very short passenger halt. I've no idea what type of road vehicles were used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class37418stag Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Andrew, The bottling plant that Arran linked to is at Culburnie, near Kiltarlity to the south of Beauly and therefore road transport must have been used to transport the water from the bottling plant to sidings at Millburn Yard, Inverness. This is the only local railhead, since the station at Beauly is no more than a very short passenger halt. I've no idea what type of road vehicles were used. Thank you to Dungrange so I thought road transport delivery bottle water to muir of ord have plenty siding by short distance from bottling plant BUT road transport to millburn yard Inverness Thank you again by correct answer from my question by more aware than other information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefreight Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Thanks for the help Gents! So some of the VAA/VBA's had the Lovat Spring livery - any photo's on the web? Apologies if my somewhat badly phrased previous post gave the impression that any VAA's or VBA's were repainted in Lovat Spring livery. As far as I'm aware they weren't, only two or perhaps three of the VGA's used for the traffic were done. However, also noted in the mineral water traffic in addition to VGA's in plain livery were some that had received other, non related liveries, such as the one that had a large 'Gi' painted on the side and one that was lettered for 'Iggesund Paper Board', as illustrated in my IA book BR Air-braked Wagons in Colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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