cromptonnut Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 I'm quite tempted to use features of it for another layout idea, particularly the incline and "couple wagons at a time" if I can. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted May 17, 2013 Author Share Posted May 17, 2013 Maybe we will have to do a sand train to run on Star Lane which is currently under construction by a friend. We have 33's and 73's to haul it. Ian It would certainly fit in with Star Lane and would be a fairly compact train to model. 33 + 6 hoppers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium acg5324 Posted May 17, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 17, 2013 (edited) A recently acquired slide shows some BIS Railease hoppers in Redhill Yard slide dated 10/11/86. http://andygibbs.zenfolio.com/p483082284/e5f9d6e52 Edited May 18, 2013 by acg5324 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 ...might be wrong but those look like loaded aggregate hoppers. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 ...might be wrong but those look like loaded aggregate hoppers. Dave They might be, though I suspect they're part of the 'Railease' (Barclays/Standard Wagon) leasing fleet, which was used on 'spot hire' both for sand and aggregate traffic. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/raileasepga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 ...could also be part of a trial which led to the removal of the roof on several PAAs for the Redhill sand traffic...looking at the immediate pre mod date. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted May 17, 2013 Author Share Posted May 17, 2013 Enlarging the image a little, they're definitely branded Railease. The very fact that they're pictured in Redhill Up Yard would make me suspect they'd seen some action at Holmethorpe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium acg5324 Posted May 17, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 17, 2013 Enlarging the image a little, they're definitely branded Railease. The very fact that they're pictured in Redhill Up Yard would make me suspect they'd seen some action at Holmethorpe. I'll confirm this from the original scan.......I should have gone to specsavers! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Had a good look out the window on our way home this evening and made a point of looking for the pink/purple bush just before Redhill and did indeed catch a glimpse ourselves of the end of the sand sidings as per the picture on page 1. Must have gone up and down there 100 times and never noticed it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefreight Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 (edited) They are Railease or more exactly Standard Wagon hoppers numbered in the SRW 185xx series and they are indeed in the sand traffic from Redhill to Warrington. In October 1985 twenty three of them were hired by BR for various flows with about eight being used to supplement the British Industrial Sand PAA/PGA hoppers on that working. Edited May 17, 2013 by davefreight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Oxlade Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Just down the embankment from the top of the siding about level with the points there used to be an old grounded, wooden coach body (as in, go over the footbridge into Holmethorpe and in the garden of the first house on the left). Of all the photos I have of Holmethorpe, I don't seem to have a photo of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted May 18, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 18, 2013 Just down the embankment from the top of the siding about level with the points there used to be an old grounded, wooden coach body (as in, go over the footbridge into Holmethorpe and in the garden of the first house on the left). Of all the photos I have of Holmethorpe, I don't seem to have a photo of it. I will see if I can get to the foorbridge in the next few days as never been on ro that . Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium acg5324 Posted May 18, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 18, 2013 Checked from the original slide scan and they are indeed Railease branded hoppers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Oxlade Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 I will see if I can get to the foorbridge in the next few days as never been on ro that .Ian I don't think it's there any more - probably rotted away years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted May 18, 2013 Author Share Posted May 18, 2013 (edited) Another Holmethorpe pic that I haven't seen previously. Looking towards the main line from the top of the incline and includes the footbridge and signal box: http://sixties_southern.perso.sfr.fr/signalboxpage/holmethorpe01.html Edited May 18, 2013 by Pete_S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Link doesn't seem to be working? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted May 18, 2013 Author Share Posted May 18, 2013 (edited) Link doesn't seem to be working? I know - I've spent ten minutes trying to figure it out... Let me try something else. Try this (via Google Images). Can't figure out why the direct link doesn't work, it's exactly as it appeared in my browser. http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?client=firefox-a&hs=Ugx&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1360&bih=682&tbm=isch&tbnid=CnOefQ7-OWKikM:&imgrefurl=http://sixties_southern.perso.sfr.fr/signalboxpage/holmethorpe01.html&docid=vZ96CA9K3mMXvM&itg=1&imgurl=http://sixties_southern.perso.sfr.fr/images/signalbox_images/holmethorpe01.jpg&w=700&h=540&ei=pS2XUfCuG4an0QWS9oHoDA&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:6,s:0,i:99&iact=rc&dur=1235&page=1&tbnh=160&tbnw=231&start=0&ndsp=16&tx=134&ty=110 There's a couple of interior shots of Holmethorpe box and a signalling diagram on the same website. Edited May 18, 2013 by Pete_S 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 A related item found on the BBC News web-site today:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-22565037 So that's where Silver Sand comes from.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 A related item found on the BBC News web-site today:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-22565037 So that's where Silver Sand comes from.. The basement of a Thai restaurant? The mind boggles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted May 18, 2013 Author Share Posted May 18, 2013 (edited) I don't think it's there any more - probably rotted away years ago. I think you must be right - don't remember that at all. Something else that's passed into history without even a photo to remind us. Slightly (very) off-topic, but where I live now is just round the corner from William Marriot's house in Sheringham. He was locomotive superintendent for the M&GN. Quite a grand house that still exists and bears a plaque for anyone that's interested. I read that he had a grounded clerestory coach body manhandled into the garden for him to use as an office around the time Sheringham station and goods yard was being constructed. Bearing in mind this was 125 years ago, I knocked on the door and asked the current owner if any trace existed - there was nothing. Shame. It's the right-hand house, you can just make out the plaque. Edited May 18, 2013 by Pete_S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 The basement of a Thai restaurant? The mind boggles!It's the idea of residents mining the sand from underneath their own houses.. It's like something out of Terry Pratchett, though most of the denizens of Ankh Morpock would have been digging under their neighbours, I suspect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Oxlade Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 I found a photo of the coach. It isn't the main item of interest, but it is just to right of the 2-BIL in this photo my Dad took: http://www.flickr.com/photos/86615534@N06/8664406438/in/set-72157633281123435 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 I don't think it's there any more - probably rotted away years ago. There certainly appears to be a footbridge in what looks like the right place? http://goo.gl/maps/gkX3l Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Oxlade Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 First house on the left, there's a long, straight grass strip running parallel to the track behind the house. That's where the coach body used to be. Se my post above, or go to: http://www.flickr.com/photos/86615534@N06/8664406438/in/set-72157633281123435 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted May 21, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 21, 2013 Many a time I've stood on that foot bridge (1970 - 1975). P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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