69843 Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Hi AllThe Intercity 250/Class 93 has been fascinating me for a while now. One thing I’d love to do is make a mock-up of it in 3D CAD (Sketchup), but for this I am struggling to find information.I know it was only a proposal, but I know several renderings were done (well, four that I can find at least) and a mock-up of the cab still exists (at the Midland Railway Centre(?)). I’m more looking for any shots/info on the Mark 5 coaches and the Class 93 power unit i.e. drawings (no matter how basic), photos of the cab mock-up (particularly head on/interior) and similar.If anyone can help me with this, I would greatly appreciate it.Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted May 12, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 12, 2013 IIRC the proposal from an engineering point of view was not much more than a slightly updated class 91 & Mk 4s fitted with tilt. While I agree that many of the artists impresions of the proposed stock do look different - thats in the nature of artists impressions. Until proper engineering drawings have to be prepared the detailed 'look' of the final product will be uncertain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(S) Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Inter City 250 Class 93 Mock Up by barry 13092, on Flickr Class 93 Mockup 20100306 Butterley by steam60163, on Flickr Class 93 Mockup Cab 20110530 Swanwick MRC by steam60163, on Flickr See towards the bottom of the page here: http://www.therailwaycentre.com/Recognition%20Pictures%20Loco/Artists_loco.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl. H. Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 If you go to the National railway museum, there's a model of it in their warehouse hall which has recently opened. They may even have information about it in their library too. Carl Just noticed you're in Australia, going to York would be one hell of a trip! Still there's website and email. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
69843 Posted May 19, 2013 Author Share Posted May 19, 2013 If you go to the National railway museum, there's a model of it in their warehouse hall which has recently opened. They may even have information about it in their library too. Carl Just noticed you're in Australia, going to York would be one hell of a trip! Still there's website and email. Found a shot of the model, and I am to shoot of an e-mail in the morning. Thanks to everyone for your input into this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoitsPlayer Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 There are a few pictures of the mocked up interiors of the Mk5's in Mike Vincent's 'The Intercity Story', lots of browns and glass partitions they reminded me more of Mk2 interiors than Mk3's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O. Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Hi, The Wikipedia entry has some additional images ( see links within wiki page too) http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_93 Cheers, Steve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Not sure if it is just the colour scheme but it looks remarkably similar to a Eurostar cab. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
69843 Posted May 23, 2013 Author Share Posted May 23, 2013 Not sure if it is just the colour scheme but it looks remarkably similar to a Eurostar cab. It certainly does, especially when compared to the model: http://nationalrailwaymuseum.wordpress.com/2013/01/18/the-locomotive-that-doesnt-exist/ Interesting to note that the side that is meant to be the DVT (as shown above) has passenger windows. Considering that the idea for this was first drawn up not to long after this, it leads me to think that this may have had a key role in changing the rule of no passengers in a lead vehicle capeable of travelling in excess of 100mph. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Interesting to note that the side that is meant to be the DVT (as shown above) has passenger windows. Considering that the idea for this was first drawn up not to long after this, it leads me to think that this may have had a key role in changing the rule of no passengers in a lead vehicle capeable of travelling in excess of 100mph. Are you sure that this is the DVT - it's got a pantograph! The rectangles you mean look more like grilles rather than windows to me (they are not as deep or as large as the ones on the coach behind). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
69843 Posted May 23, 2013 Author Share Posted May 23, 2013 Are you sure that this is the DVT - it's got a pantograph! The rectangles you mean look more like grilles rather than windows to me (they are not as deep or as large as the ones on the coach behind). It has confused me too, but with the 80100 number on the side of the nose being a different number under TOPS compared to both the Class 93 and DVT numbering, I am lost. Otherwise it could just be smaller windows for a luggage area...? The DVT having pantographs would be due to the model being a duel sided model (showing the front of the train on one side, and the rear on the other, hence the pantographed DVT). The other thing is, if you have a look at the 'photograph' of the train, there is two small windows visible on the bodyside near the rear, but no 'larger' windows (I would assume that these would possibly be for a corridor): http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e8/IC250_Cl93_2.jpg (edited for missing content) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Yes - I think you are right about it being a duel-sided model. It almost looks like the model maker has got the numbers on the wrong side though. On the promotional photo, the window pattern looks like a Mk4 DVT pattern (several square-ish windows) but it is numbered 93001, whilst on the photo of the model taken by the NRM, it looks like a selection of grilles (more like a loco) but is numbered 80100. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
69843 Posted May 23, 2013 Author Share Posted May 23, 2013 Yes - I think you are right about it being a duel-sided model. It almost looks like the model maker has got the numbers on the wrong side though. On the promotional photo, the window pattern looks like a Mk4 DVT pattern (several square-ish windows) but it is numbered 93001, whilst on the photo of the model taken by the NRM, it looks like a selection of grilles (more like a loco) but is numbered 80100. That actually makes very good sense...I'll have to have a re-think on the whole thing then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted June 26, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 26, 2014 During a sort out I came across an 'Intercity 250' notepad that I must have acquired in my BR days. It is quite nicely made with the IC250 appearing as a watermark in each leaf. The project looked quite futuristic for its time. I was booked for a 'staff' ride on the APT when it was being tested but I was ill at the time and couldn't go. A cause of much regret! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 I seem to recall that one of the ideas was to make the DVT a kitchen and luggage vehicle - that would certainly fit with those high-level 'windows' on the 'B' side of the model. The styling was not dissimilar to Ford's 'New Edge' of the late 1990s, about the time the train might have entered service. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Interesting that it has twin pantographs, some thing the 91 may or may not have in the future....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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