Andrew P Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Hi all and welcome to Fiddlers Yard as some of you may be aware I had started Deesdale Pike a couple of days ago as a re-build of Loch Leven, but I had lost the plot, (in steps George T with his usual quip, hahha) and it was also said that there are NO Pikes in the Peak District, (only Salmon and Trout) ha ha again, and I felt it was not looking right, and further more could not be made right without drastic alterations. Enter Fiddlers Yard, I have been muttering ideas about FY for over a year now so here is a brief explanation of what, where and why. First, = WHAT, FY is a series of sidings (poss 9) that enable me to shunt stock about in a reasoned and controlled manner, i.e just like a real yard, and with a reason for every move, (from a random card system). It will NOT have a fiddle yard as such as the layout will form its own fiddle yard by simply moving stock about from siding to siding. The back Scene, (my original bug bear) will be removed as per my original plan. the area that is currently the Fiddle Yard will be scenic, and the main line that goes out through the trees on the right will also go out past the new scenic area to the left. This will in effect give me the opportunity for a fiddle yard at each end and through running, even of passenger services at Exhibitions. Secondly, = WHERE, FY can be almost anywhere as it is just a yard. although it will be mainly Ex LMS structures and paintwork. It will represent a single track secondary route through the Peak District near to a Station and with a series of small Ex Private sidings either side of the line. Thirdly, = WHY, well I wanted a layout I could operate at home as that is where it will be some 48 to 50 weeks of the year.I also wanted something that if it were to go out to Exhibitions it could be added to without spoiling the effect. The work will commence in earnest after the weekend, and a blow by blow of the demolition and re construction. I will be looking for advice and guidance as usual and hope you will join me on this journey through Fiddlers Yard . :locomotive: Bodgit of the Yard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeT Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Morning Bodgit, Well l know were you are coming from now, after the chat we had yesterday when you totally destroyed my plans for extending 72G onto three boards, l have been thinking about what you said and has made me re-think, would l be bothered to get the three boards up and running in the garden ? no l don't think so, and all the work involved would be wasted ? So bearing in mind what you have said l will stick with what l have built and make it better, with your decision to make 'pike' or 'loch leven' or whatever you call it into just a non-descript yard is a cracking idea, then you can run / shunt whatever you like, and any era you fancy, good luck mate, GT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted May 23, 2013 Author Share Posted May 23, 2013 Cheers George, yes I think with the infrastructure it will have it could go from Steam to Blue Diesels quite O.K. but not anything newer, as things like Coal Yards, Goods Sheds, and Loading Docks would have been gone by then. Bodgit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted May 23, 2013 Author Share Posted May 23, 2013 Hi all, those that have seen LL will have seen this pic before but I have to start somewhere so this is the Crab on a Freight. The back scene will one of the first things to go in a day or two. Bodgit of the Yard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted May 23, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 23, 2013 Apologies for my last post in "old LL". If I'd bothered to look down the page I'd have spotted FY. Bearing in mind the amount of previous discussion re. FY, I think your "change of scenery" is probably a good one. Whatever the setting, your shunting layouts are always cleverly done. Good to see it's going to remain Midland. Await the new backscene with interest. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted May 23, 2013 Author Share Posted May 23, 2013 Apologies for my last post in "old LL". If I'd bothered to look down the page I'd have spotted FY. Bearing in mind the amount of previous discussion re. FY, I think your "change of scenery" is probably a good one. Whatever the setting, your shunting layouts are always cleverly done. Good to see it's going to remain Midland. Await the new back scene with interest. Jeff Cheers Jeff, I am looking to add at least a Goods shed and I would like a small fuel distribution depot, but without overcrowding it, I want room for some nice scenic features and I am prepared to loose a siding or two to achieve this. I have just popped in for a quick look before I sit down for coffee and I may need to either widen or remove the bridge and then re-position it at the left hand end, to gain a more realistic access to the goods shed. I don't want just points off the main line so I may even remove the point leading to the three sidings from the running line and bring it in from the Factory siding. These will then be fed from the head shunt which is how it should be anyway. Here is the old pics of LL as it is at the moment for anyone who doesn't know the layout and a view the other way showing how the scenic section will be extended by about 3 ft beyond the road bridge that may come out. The point for the goods shed will be a right hand point and may go from the left hand rail that joins the main line, and will put the shed along side the running line. All will become clear in a couple of days as I RIP IT TO BITS and start doing what I enjoy most, re planning. Bodgit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Budgie Posted May 23, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 23, 2013 Hi Great minds think alike. At the end of the branch on my garden railway is a set of sidings, together with a reversing loop that has a platform by it. The name of this location on my layout: Fiddler's Yard. Best wishes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted May 24, 2013 Author Share Posted May 24, 2013 Hi Great minds think alike. At the end of the branch on my garden railway is a set of sidings, together with a reversing loop that has a platform by it. The name of this location on my layout: Fiddler's Yard. Best wishes Sorry about that Budgie, BTW I like your avatar mate. Bodgit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeT Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Hello Bodgit, Just a thought will there be any buildings on the new layout ? or coaling stage for the locos to stand by ? GT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Budgie Posted May 24, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 24, 2013 Sorry about that Budgie, BTW I like your avatar mate. Bodgit Hi, Bodgit You don't need to apologise at all. (I like the similarities of our names, too: -- Bodgit - Budgie) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted May 24, 2013 Author Share Posted May 24, 2013 Hi, Bodgit You don't need to apologise at all. (I like the similarities of our names, too: -- Bodgit - Budgie) That's true you can be Budgie of the Yard, hahahhh Bodgit of the Yard, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted May 24, 2013 Author Share Posted May 24, 2013 Hello Bodgit, Just a thought will there be any buildings on the new layout ? or coaling stage for the locos to stand by ? GT Hi George, NO TO A coaling stage or anything to era specific so I can run up to the Blue Diesel Period. I want some none railway buildings as well as a road if I can. Bodgit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jason T Posted May 24, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 24, 2013 How about a couple of kick-back sidings to complicate shunting a bit? I know that might sound daft but it will make it much more enjoyable. After operating Mark's Foundry Lane last weekend, where you have to really think about the length of wagons, how to position everything and where to shuffle each one, it really opened my eyes to just how much fun shunting layouts can be; they become more of a puzzle than anything else. Some manouvres had Andy (Wagonbasher) and I really scratching our heads and the viewing public chipping in with suggestions and quite often chuckling. Mark was off elsewhere at the time, probably a good idea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted May 24, 2013 Author Share Posted May 24, 2013 How about a couple of kick-back sidings to complicate shunting a bit? I know that might sound daft but it will make it much more enjoyable. After operating Mark's Foundry Lane last weekend, where you have to really think about the length of wagons, how to position everything and where to shuffle each one, it really opened my eyes to just how much fun shunting layouts can be; they become more of a puzzle than anything else. Some manouvres had Andy (Wagonbasher) and I really scratching our heads and the viewing public chipping in with suggestions and quite often chuckling. Mark was off elsewhere at the time, probably a good idea Hi Jason, sounds like a plan, I will have a good look and see what else I can come up with. As a note, when I ran the layout at shows the two factory sidings were only worked as kick back sidings and used the main loop as its run round before departing into the Fiddle Yard again. Bodgit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted May 25, 2013 Author Share Posted May 25, 2013 Interesting concept Andy.....Its just helped clarify an idea or two in my mind about things that were lying on my mind like a heavy fog on a Peak District Pike (Topley Pike is the only one I can think of) Cheers Micky, good luck my mind is never clear, just a constant FOG Bodgit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted May 25, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 25, 2013 Cheers Micky, good luck my mind is never clear, just a constant FOG Bodgit Your mind is clear enough when it comes to building all those layouts of yours!! Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted May 25, 2013 Author Share Posted May 25, 2013 Your mind is clear enough when it comes to building all those layouts of yours!! Jeff Cheers Jeff, I have had another look at Ray Norwoods Yard Shunter and if you go back about 4 or 5 pages you will see a couple of airel shots he did for me. It has the sort of thing I have talked about, he has a cattle dock, Wood yard, Goods Shed so a lot of shunting. I am looking for a similar thing but in a bit more of a Midland look, i.e. that's why I have the distribution factory siding, I just need some more things like the Fuel depot or Goods Shed. I may need to start again :no: :no: :no: Bodgit the Brave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted May 26, 2013 Author Share Posted May 26, 2013 Evening all, I have made a start with the DESTRUCTION of the old LL. First of all the Back Scene has gone on the old fiddle yard board. next we see the results of the Earthquake as the land starts to split away. Now showing just how much extra room I have even with the same road, Pub and Chapel. And finally an idea of what I might do with this end of the layout, from left to right a loading dock, Goods shed, Main Line, Factory head shunt, Possible Brewery. I hope it makes sense and you comments as always are welcome. If this works I will end up with a 2 road Goods Yard, Brewery, 2 Road Factory, 3 sidings for wagon storage, the original head shunt on the run round loop and the original front siding may end up as a Fuel Depot. Bodgit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d winpenny Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Looking good, david Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted May 27, 2013 Author Share Posted May 27, 2013 Well I have managed to get an Hour in the Den this evening and UN-BALLASTED one of the points that I needed to remove in order to fit a Single Slip for the Head Shunt and poss Brewery siding, I will post some picks quite soon but I am busy tomorrow (Tuesday) and Wednesday so not much will be done in the next 48 hours, but I am pleased with the plan and the Single Slip works O.K. Bodgit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted May 28, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 28, 2013 Hi Andy. You've clearly had a good think as this is now much more than a "cosmetic" makeover. Btw, I love the mantra you've written on the front of the baseboard.... "Less is more....." Looking forward to the updated pics! Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class 108 Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Must of been hard to break up such a good layout with a great history on the forum and exhibition circuit. Good luck with the new one. Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeT Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Like the look of your new layout 'Bodgit', drastic actions l see (but it has to be done) good luck.. GT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Flynn Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Hi Andrew Like what you are doing should give a lot more operating potential. Hope It all blends in as before. By the way what make is the pub looks like something that would fit Cornwall area? Hugh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted May 28, 2013 Author Share Posted May 28, 2013 Hi Andy. You've clearly had a good think as this is now much more than a "cosmetic" makeover. Btw, I love the mantra you've written on the front of the baseboard.... "Less is more....." Looking forward to the updated pics! Jeff Hi Jeff, Leesismoor, Leesimour, Lessismore, are three names I was playing around with when I had Bare Boards BEFORE I built LL. You were not supposed to see that bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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