firstgreatwestern Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Hello Rmweb I want to make a mumbles railway layout in N gauge because it was in my town and it was very unique plus another n gauge tramway layout Im looking at the tramcars nothing is on the market right now and may never be. The typhoo tea tram may be similar in paintsheme but the shape isnt anything like this. does anyone know who can make one? As for area I would say Rutland street its got a good prototype mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Hello Rmweb I want to make a mumbles railway layout in N gauge because it was in my town and it was very unique plus another n gauge tramway layout Im looking at the tramcars nothing is on the market right now and may never be. The typhoo tea tram may be similar in paintsheme but the shape isnt anything like this. does anyone know who can make one? As for area I would say Rutland street its got a good prototype mike They were a lot bigger than most, if not all, British trams; you'll almost certainly have to scratch-build them. I remember being taken for a ride on them by my great-aunt, just before the Slow, Wicked and Terrible bus company took them over and closed them down at the beginning of the 1960s. My main memory is of the slatted seats, which had pivotted backs to suit the direction of travel. Their demise is much to be regretted, especially when you see the traffic on Oystermouth Road/Mumbles Road these days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstgreatwestern Posted October 24, 2013 Author Share Posted October 24, 2013 (edited) Thanks for the reply Brian and yes they are the biggest trams in the UK (or were) scratch build is a must! Edited October 24, 2013 by firstgreatwestern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLD Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 As you will require at least two cars or more (they frequently ran in coulped pairs) but the overall market is very limited, then it sounds like an ideal task for either 3-d printing or alternatively scratch-build one and use it as a master for resin casting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstgreatwestern Posted October 24, 2013 Author Share Posted October 24, 2013 I was thinking of Resin or 3D CAD, im currently looking for somebody to do the job Thanks pual! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Devil Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 There was a resin model of the Swansea and Mumbles car done in (I think) in 3.5mm, 4mm, 7mm scales. Tony Loughlin used the 4mm model married to a Bachmann Peter Witt chassis to motorise then, I think he's done the entire fleet, for a 2mm/N version perhaps a similar or Japanese tram chassis could be used. I'd be tempted to resin cast them from a scratch master, I've done a number of trams in 3d but I can say the Swansea and Mumbles car is not really on my list of things to do. Few pics of Tony's layout, it's only been out twice and it's taking a bit of arm twisting to get him to take it out again I'm afraid. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstgreatwestern Posted October 25, 2013 Author Share Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) They are Brilliant! all 13 tramcars were made I think its rutland street Edited October 25, 2013 by firstgreatwestern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 They are Brilliant! all 13 tramcars were made I think its rutland street With Swansea Victoria in the background.. You'd need a smell generator to combine the odours of Swansea Gasworks (on the other side of the road) and the fish from South Dock (on the other side of Victoria)... What would make a nice model is the bit next to the footbridge and floral clock, just before the junction of Guildhall Road and Oystermouth Road; a friend's uncle was the gardener responsible for the clock. You wouldn't need ballast, as the rails were almost always covered with sand from the beach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstgreatwestern Posted October 25, 2013 Author Share Posted October 25, 2013 I would like to model argyle road because its quite easy but I will have to revert to Blackpool because I know I can buy kits but I cant with mumbles because I've looked everywhere so I may have to stop this project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan70000 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Would it not be possible to butcher a Bachmann P Witt in to a Mumbles car? The windows on the lower deck are quite similar, and a P Witt is about the right size too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maunsel Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Many more years ago than I'd wish to admit to, there was a Meccano Magazine article about building n scale tram cars. It basically used a clear perspex shell to which was added a paper sheet to represent the wooden bits (please excuse the overly technical engineering terms). Of course nowadays we have Tomix tram and loco chassis' to make life easier. I have to declare an interest here, as I am still part owner of an original Mumbles Railway wooden sign. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstgreatwestern Posted October 26, 2013 Author Share Posted October 26, 2013 We basically need a body for the tram, chassis are fine and a kato pantograph is fine its just looking for the right person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctc Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 We basically need a body for the tram, chassis are fine and a kato pantograph is fine its just looking for the right person Try Tom Williamson... (Thornton Gate) He always up for a challenge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstgreatwestern Posted October 26, 2013 Author Share Posted October 26, 2013 Already tried...but it went nowhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepyrider Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Many more years ago than I'd wish to admit to, there was a Meccano Magazine article about building n scale tram cars. It basically used a clear perspex shell to which was added a paper sheet to represent the wooden bits (please excuse the overly technical engineering terms). Of course nowadays we have Tomix tram and loco chassis' to make life easier. Most of the old Meccano Magazines can be viewed online at http://www.nzmeccano.com. There aren't many tram articles, so it wasn't too difficult to find the article. Due to the way the website works I can't link directly to the article, but it's 'Tram for Two', July 1967, pp 12, 13 and 25. The model in the article looks really good and there are some useful constructional diagrams. The Mumbles trams were quite a simple shape with flat sides so it might just work. As an alternative, I've seen an article about scratchbuilding a Mumbles tram in 4mm scale, using brass strip I think. I suspect it was one of David Voice's How to go Tram and Tramway Modelling books, though I have no idea which edition - they vary quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 As an alternative, I've seen an article about scratchbuilding a Mumbles tram in 4mm scale, using brass strip I think. I suspect it was one of David Voice's How to go Tram and Tramway Modelling books, though I have no idea which edition - they vary quite a bit. It's in the hardback one with the brown dust jacket - whichever one that is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstgreatwestern Posted November 1, 2013 Author Share Posted November 1, 2013 I think ill put this project on hold id rather smaller trams mainly leeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darwins Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Sorry to dig up such an old thread. Does anyone know where I might find drawings and technical details for the Mumbles cars? All I have so far is two doors on one side, seating 106, tare 30 tons, two traction motors, electromagnetic multiple unit control and air brakes. Would quite like to know any of length, width, height over roof, bogie wheelbase, wheel diameter, distance between bogie centres, power, maximum speed... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Morgan Posted October 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 16, 2020 The Mumbles Railway electric vehicles were big - and not called 'trams' by the locals. There used to be the front end of one (No 7) in the Swansea Waterfront Museum but there is no mention of it on the museum website now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engineer Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 In a different life, quite a long time ago, I researched in advance of modelling the vehicles. I have a few notes of modelling dimensions, 4mm scale: 9mm wheels; equal-wheel trucks 18mm wheelbase; bogie centres 75.5mm; overall vehicle length 180mm Can't lay my hands on much more than this at the moment. There was a good general article, with bibliography, in Tramway Review, March 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trambob7 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Hi guy's, Found this link which may be helpful https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DragonBadger-Exclusive-3d-printed-Mumbles-Tram-1-76-OO-HO-gauge-/192682892840 Or the website https://dragonbadger.co.uk Always found these trams interesting, Cheers Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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