Horfield Mob Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I was considering buying a Hornby14xx BUT I am not sure if the current version still has Traction tyres? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Colin Posted February 10, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2014 Mine (bought 2011 from Kernow Models) certainly has them. Is that a plus or a minus point for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I suspect the Hornby version has tyres. My Airfix one is hardly capable of pulling herself without them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horfield Mob Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share Posted February 10, 2014 Mine (bought 2011 from Kernow Models) certainly has them. Is that a plus or a minus point for you? If it has them I shall not buy one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Colin Posted February 10, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2014 They're easy to remove - but as IG says, the loco will then struggle with anything more than a single coach. I've never tried to add any extra weight but this could be a potential way forward. There's also the matter of the grooves in the driving wheel flanges - the rear drivers would probably need replacing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tender Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Yes it does have traction tyres. 'High Level' make a nice replacement chassis kit, but you will have to build it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 And a High Level kit will keep you busy happy for HOURS, DAYS, WEEKS. Seriously, it's not a task to be undertaken lightly, but it does provide a really good chassis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold mikes rail Posted February 10, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2014 You could change the wheel set in question, one of the mags I think it was Hornby had a dcc/ sound article a while back in which they did this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Premium Trainshed Terry Posted February 10, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2014 Yes it does have traction tyres. 'High Level' make a nice replacement chassis kit, but you will have to build it. So do Comet. Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hughes Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 So do Comet. Terry Indeed they do - I described the building of one just before Christmas in the Kitbuilding / Scratchbuilding forum here (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/78083-comet-14xx-chassis/). It's excellent and makes for a fairly quick build (but then I work reasonably fast because time is money!) but again don't expect it to pull the wallpaper off the wall! The prototypes were (are!) pretty sure-footed, but the GWR still felt the need to create an 0-6-0 version for some of the steeper Welsh branches! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9403 Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 You could change the wheel set in question, one of the mags I think it was Hornby had a dcc/ sound article a while back in which they did this Any idea which and when please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Premium OnTheBranchline Posted February 11, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 11, 2014 What's wrong with the traction tyres? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horfield Mob Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 Recurring topic. The easy fix (removing traction-tyred wheelset from the equation) can be found here: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/20230-airfix-14xx/?p=1315517 OK this bit "The Airfix chassis drives via a universal joint to the front axle, traction tyres are on the rear axle. The Dapol/Hornby chassis drives from a crappy motor to the rear axle, traction tyres are on the front axle. Therefore, you can swap wheels from either type to eradicate traction tyres." SO? Having found a body I could buy a chassis............There are a couple on EBAY-Dapol but the tyres are on the rear axle? and get a Hornby wheelset from AC. Add a bit of lead (how crappy is that motor?) and have a reasonable, quick loco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold mikes rail Posted February 12, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 12, 2014 Ref Hornby mag it was mid to late last year, will have to have a hunt in loft and let you know. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sidelines Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 It is an easy fix, get yourself a good / new Hornbhy 14xx and an old Aifix model. Swap the rubber grooved wheels for the ungrooved wheels. I made when I was selling my 'non rubber tyre 14xx'.A cheap and cheerful solution but as already said - don't expect it to pull very much!RegardsRay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Moss Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 OK this bit "The Airfix chassis drives via a universal joint to the front axle, traction tyres are on the rear axle. The Dapol/Hornby chassis drives from a crappy motor to the rear axle, traction tyres are on the front axle. Therefore, you can swap wheels from either type to eradicate traction tyres." SO? Having found a body I could buy a chassis............There are a couple on EBAY-Dapol but the tyres are on the rear axle? and get a Hornby wheelset from AC. Add a bit of lead (how crappy is that motor?) and have a reasonable, quick loco. I beg to differ about the Dapol / Hornby motor being crappy. For its size it has a lot of torque and is cheap to get hold of. The fact that they're used in quite a few models must mean something! The traction tyres on my Dapol 14xx are on the back driven axle. My Hornby example doesn't have any as its running on romfords. Can just about pull 3 Bachmann mk1's up the club inclines. (1in35) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hughes Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 The body mouldings are certainly 'reasonable' though those among us who are picky can certainly find things to quibble about. The worst glitches are at the front end: the chimney is far too anaemic (the real job is quite chunky, actually) and the smokebox door looks like nothing that ever came out of Swindon. Oh, and the ATC battery box needs adding to the rear of the step on the driver's side of the cab. That said, it's not at all a bad job as it comes. However, if you do feel the need to fiddle then Mainly Trains do a nice Rice-inspired set of castings to improve it; they even claim you can fit them without any serious repainting, though I doubt if I could be that neat myself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon G Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I beg to differ about the Dapol / Hornby motor being crappy. For its size it has a lot of torque and is cheap to get hold of. The fact that they're used in quite a few models must mean something! The traction tyres on my Dapol 14xx are on the back driven axle. My Hornby example doesn't have any as its running on romfords. Can just about pull 3 Bachmann mk1's up the club inclines. (1in35) I agree with Sam about the motor. I think that the Hornby 14XX motor is much the same as fitted to newer B12s and older West Country/Battle of Britain locos. Having one of each, the motors are quite smooth and quiet and can haul a reasonable load - 7 Bachmann Mk1s on a reasonably level track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tender Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 The body mouldings are certainly 'reasonable' though those among us who are picky can certainly find things to quibble about. The worst glitches are at the front end: the chimney is far too anaemic (the real job is quite chunky, actually) and the smokebox door looks like nothing that ever came out of Swindon. Oh, and the ATC battery box needs adding to the rear of the step on the driver's side of the cab. That said, it's not at all a bad job as it comes. However, if you do feel the need to fiddle then Mainly Trains do a nice Rice-inspired set of castings to improve it; they even claim you can fit them without any serious repainting, though I doubt if I could be that neat myself! Here's a picture of my new front end using the Mainly Trains castings. It's a fairly easy job and as you can see no serious repainting of the body is required, just the bits you stick on. You also get a nice back-head. Ray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Here's a picture of my new front end using the Mainly Trains castings. It's a fairly easy job and as you can see no serious repainting of the body is required, just the bits you stick on. You also get a nice back-head. Ray. Detail pack required! That looks like the front of a 14xx, unlike Airfix's effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hughes Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Here's a picture of my new front end using the Mainly Trains castings. It's a fairly easy job and as you can see no serious repainting of the body is required, just the bits you stick on. You also get a nice back-head. Ray. That's a nice job, and it certainly shows what a difference the castings make. This, of course, is the point at which the various minor 'adjustments' made on the original moulding all go slightly wrong; the smokebox door is slightly too small in order to make room for the overscale handrail stanchion above it, so when the correct size of door is fitted there's not quite enough room to fit the stanchion without a bit more fiddling. When I had one to play with I cursed a bit and then ended up fitting Comet stanchions (or 'handrail knobs' as they call them!) instead of the originals, and it does make a difference. I suppose I could have replaced the handrail too - it's certainly a bit too thick - but in the end I coldn't be bothered and just gently reamed out the holes in the stanchions to match (medium stanchions for the front and sides of the smokebox, long for the ones further back.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horfield Mob Posted February 15, 2014 Author Share Posted February 15, 2014 I agree with Sam about the motor. I think that the Hornby 14XX motor is much the same as fitted to newer B12s and older West Country/Battle of Britain locos. Having one of each, the motors are quite smooth and quiet and can haul a reasonable load - 7 Bachmann Mk1s on a reasonably level track. Thanks. This is the way I will go now as it's less lifetime used up on the Dapol Chassis rewheeled. If the motor is as good as you say then it's perfect for occasional light trains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob O Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Ref Hornby mag it was mid to late last year, will have to have a hunt in loft and let you know. Mike It was October 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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