AngryMeerkat Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Hopefully someone with knowledge of the real railway can help me out a little bit? I'm looking to model a certain picture in my mind, but would prefer it if there was a prototype for it. I'm thinking of a traction depot in a cutting, or some sidings for engineering wagons. Access to this area is through some brick arch tunnels with a brick wall running behind the area. Above the tunnels and wall is a main line, 2 or 4 track. The raised main line will drop down to the same height as the lower 'depot' area at some point for access. The red track on the diagram is the lower cutting, with a depot or sidings. The green area is the raised section where the main line (in dark blue) runs. There is a brick wall (in light blue) running the length of the raised area, which gives access to 2 brick arch tunnels under the main line. So does such a track formation exist in real life, and if so where is it? Ideally this place would still be in existence now, but anything post 1960s will be fine. Allerton T&RSMD (as was) has this kind of layout but in reverse, the Merseyrail line to Hunts Cross runs in a cutting next to the depot but at a lower level, and the WCML is roughly the same level. I need the main running lines at a higher level. If such a place does exist, I'm sure one of my fellow forum members will know it and I look forward to hearing your ideas. Mark Ps apologies for the very raw diagram, it was drawn freehand on my iPad using a free app. The scale is M-scale......M for Made-up! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Isn't Stewart's Lane a bit like this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted April 15, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 15, 2014 The only one I can think that came near this was Westhouses, which ended up as a sub shed of Toton full of 20's in pairs. The shed was at the bottom of the valley with the main lne above it. The junction however wasn't through arches but straight up to the main line. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 The freight depot at Bricklayers Arms was a bit like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Warrington Arpley could be used as a prototype when the stabling point was next to B&Q Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Drayton Park depot on the former Northern City Line in London (near Finsbury Park) - next to the station and with plenty of possible scenic break tunnel mouths as well. The site is now just waste ground next to the station. The ECML out of Kings Cross and the Canonbury link pass very close by at higher levels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryMeerkat Posted April 16, 2014 Author Share Posted April 16, 2014 Thanks for the suggestions so far, it's giving me lots of ideas and information. Currently I'm googling each of the mentioned locations and looking for pictures and track plans, and looking at google earth to get a feel for each place. Stewarts Lane offers most of what I'm looking for, but on a much larger scale than I hoped. But the depot and raised running lines on brick arches are there for sure. I like the look of Westhouses, and a grassy bank instead of a brick arch offers some colour and interest, but the scenic breaks would be difficult to create. But the 'feel' of the place is exactly what I'm looking for. Bricklayers Arms, Warrington Arpley and Drayton Park are next on my investigations list. Thanks for all the ideas Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted April 16, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 16, 2014 Thanks for the suggestions so far, it's giving me lots of ideas and information. Currently I'm googling each of the mentioned locations and looking for pictures and track plans, and looking at google earth to get a feel for each place. Stewarts Lane offers most of what I'm looking for, but on a much larger scale than I hoped. But the depot and raised running lines on brick arches are there for sure. I like the look of Westhouses, and a grassy bank instead of a brick arch offers some colour and interest, but the scenic breaks would be difficult to create. But the 'feel' of the place is exactly what I'm looking for. Bricklayers Arms, Warrington Arpley and Drayton Park are next on my investigations list. Thanks for all the ideas Mark Westhouses was definitely atmospheric with just the walls and no roof. and lots of 20's and even the early 56's pottering about. It's at the bottom of a valley so the scenery could be built up with a little bit of modellers licence. Jamie Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Wasn't Holbeck similar to that? Edge Hill certainly had plenty of levels too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryMeerkat Posted April 16, 2014 Author Share Posted April 16, 2014 Wasn't Holbeck similar to that? Edge Hill certainly had plenty of levels too. Funny you mention Edge Hill, I grew up in Liverpool and it was these 'roofless tunnels' with the houses on top as you go beyond Edge Hill and into Liverpool Lime St that is sitting on my mind. Although from memory (late 80s/early 90s) Edge Hill was pretty much a ghost station, lots of track but only a carriage washing plant still active whenever I passed through there, usually on my way to Crewe with my dad (he knew some amazing spots around Crewe to see the whole diesel depot and some of the works site!). It's also the freedom I was granted to wander round Allerton T&RSMD and Speke loco stabling point as a young teen that means a depot layout will always hold a place in my modelling heart. Allerton and Speke were the places I first drove real trains, from 08s up and down the road into the wheel lathe at Allerton to the 'new' class 90s from Speke down to Garston Freightliner Terminal. Some real happy memories from a time now long past! Unfortunately Edge Hill has the same problem as Allerton for me - the running lines are level with Allerton depot and below the carriage depot at Edge Hill. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted April 16, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 16, 2014 Wasn't Holbeck similar to that? Edge Hill certainly had plenty of levels too. Holbeck was all on one level with it's exit into a cutting where the exit tracks joined a four track Midland Main line to the south. However the line climbed alongside the depot towards the north before splitting in two to either head north or east. The junction was (and still is) crossed by the LNWR approach route to Leeds New on the heavily curved viaduct that was later incoporated into the line to London, briefly electrified and used for storing mark IV stock and now disused. This ran across the back of the depot and provided a great view of the roofless shed with it's turntables. The shed exit goes under the road overbridge for Nineveh Road. The depot is still in use servicing track machines in the old Midland Repair workshop. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
definate maybe Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I know that you are looking for a prototype but the model Stoney Lane depot sounds similar to what you are after Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryMeerkat Posted April 16, 2014 Author Share Posted April 16, 2014 I know that you are looking for a prototype but the model Stoney Lane depot sounds similar to what you are after It's basic idea is very similar, and it's done to a far higher standard than I could ever achieve! Thanks for directing me to it, an excellent layout. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 This is going way back into my memory (and is therefore open to challenge!), but were there not high-level lines over or beside the shed yard at Edge Hill? I have a distinct memory of watching a Stanier 5 being backed up a long way across the yard and taking a run at a steep gradient up to a high-level line, and just making it to the top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGJ Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Holbeck was all on one level with it's exit into a cutting where the exit tracks joined a four track Midland Main line to the south. However the line climbed alongside the depot towards the north before splitting in two to either head north or east. The junction was (and still is) crossed by the LNWR approach route to Leeds New on the heavily curved viaduct that was later incoporated into the line to London, briefly electrified and used for storing mark IV stock and now disused. This ran across the back of the depot and provided a great view of the roofless shed with it's turntables. The shed exit goes under the road overbridge for Nineveh Road. The depot is still in use servicing track machines in the old Midland Repair workshop. Jamie Hi Jamie, I don't think there's any track to the old repair workshop any more, there is however track to the area where the new service shed is ( re-built where the old one was ), a fueling area and also stabling roads, and washing plant. Northern use the depot to stable class 144s and 155s http://www.rtsinfrastructure.com/ 155342 from Bridge road entrance Bridge road entrance general shot 144016 from Nineveh Road general view of the depot on Google https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ll=53.787984,-1.556325&spn=0.002532,0.004823&t=h&z=18 SGJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted April 16, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 16, 2014 Norwood Junction was nicely nestled between some higher level running lines, although perhaps not as high as you would like, Reading and Cardiff Canton were similar. Of those mentioned SL fits the bill very well IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted April 16, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 16, 2014 There were a couple of good ones south of Wolverhampton. Where the steel terminal is, formerly served from the GWR line, yards on the canal side were fed by tracks which went under the LMS line. They were known ad Shrubbery Basin and Chillington Basin. The latter is listed and still largely there although semi derelict. Andy York posted some stuff on them here. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/47549-shrubbery-basins-wolverhampton/?hl=%2Bchillington+%2Bbasin&do=findComment&comment=530669 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted April 16, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 16, 2014 Hi Jamie, I don't think there's any track to the old repair workshop any more, there is however track to the area where the new service shed is ( re-built where the old one was ), a fueling area and also stabling roads, and washing plant. Northern use the depot to stable class 144s and 155s http://www.rtsinfrastructure.com/ 155342 from Bridge road entrance HO_155342.JPG Bridge road entrance general shot HO_holbeck shed.JPG 144016 from Nineveh Road HO_144016.JPG general view of the depot on Google https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ll=53.787984,-1.556325&spn=0.002532,0.004823&t=h&z=18 SGJ Shows I should spend a bit of time looking over the wall there again. Last time I paid it any attention it was track machines. Nice to see it being used as a running depot again. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGJ Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Shows I should spend a bit of time looking over the wall there again. Last time I paid it any attention it was track machines. Nice to see it being used as a running depot again. Jamie The track machines are still there too, they seam to be using the sidings nearest to the running line to stable them SGJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckdancer Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Templecombe had a main line level and one above - see http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2672600 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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