Bachmann FFA/FGA early container flats

[hmrspaul]

Thanks both.

 

   I hadn't realised it was the total length of tractor plus trailer(s) that is the limitation. I've always wondered why very large bonnetted tractors are very popular in parts of the world with even tortously worse roads than ours. With Julie we once hitched a lift in a German rig hauling Greek fresh figs that was crossing the Swiss alps in light snow. We ground to a halt on one particularly steep part and began to slowly slip backwards. The driver managed to crash it into one of the lowest gears (there were 18 forward gears) and the rig slowly crept forward.

 

For example Costa Rican pineapples

 

Paul

[Fat Controller]

One of my former colleagues drives even bigger rigs than that in the photo from Canada as far as Florida; if you met her, you'd wonder how she does it, being very slightly built. 

Long-bonneted tractors are to be seen in the UK, but generally on specialist jobs like timber-haulage, and tankers. They're generally Volvos and Scanias, though a few Peterbilts and International Harvesters can be seen. 

One concession to mountain roads you might notice, particularly in Italy, is the driver being on the right (as in the UK); the reasoning is that they can see the edge of the road more clearly. 

[George Woodcock]

Hello

 

Interestingly though there are now 45ft containers skelly trailers are still only 40ft long so have to have an overhang at both ends. In the US the majority of domestic containers are 53ft long. Happily I don't have to drive any of them anymore.

 

Cheers

 

George

[royaloak]

There are still limits on train-length, though obviously more liberal. Denby Transport (who haul a lot of tyres, a bulky but light load) were reminded of this when they trialled a rig consisting of a tractor,40' artic trailer, and a second draw-bar trailer, without discussing it with the D of T first.

I remember his 'trial' where he was advised by the Police that it wasnt a good idea for the rig to leave the yard due t the rules on overall length etc.

[George Woodcock]

Hello

 

As I see these are now reviewed in the latest Rail Express Modeller I wonder when we shall receive them?

 

Cheers

 

George

[Satan's Goldfish]

The rumour is the next couple of months.

[RBAGE]

A major box shifter's site still says August/September and an online chat confirmed that this is their latest information.

 

Mind you, a Freudian slip whilst preparing this post had me repeatedly typing November or December.  

[gridwatcher]

Very soon now. Reviews are excellent too. Look to be every bit as good as was promised. Excellent! 

[RBAGE]

Received email from Widnes this afternoon stating expected arrival is now November/December 2018.

Me too. This was only for the outers. No comment about the inners.

Mind you, these have been reported as in transit for some considerable time. They must be well sea sick by now.

[BR Blue]

According to the Bachmann release thread, the original ones with the freightliner containers are very soon but there is nothing within the next 12 months about the later version:

 

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/138576-planned-Bachmann-branchline-release-schedule-published-19-october-2018/

[RBAGE]

According to the Bachmann release thread, the original ones with the freightliner containers are very soon but there is nothing within the next 12 months about the later version:

 

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/138576-planned-Bachmann-branchline-release-schedule-published-19-october-2018/

Unless these models are going to be air freighted, for Bachmann to publish on the 28/09/2018 that they would be released in September/October then they would already be at sea (6 weeks lead time from China).

Therefore, for the timing to be amended to November/December, it would appear that someone is being economical with the truth. 

I may be wrong and the models may have already been shipped from China on the 28/09/2018 and Bachmann have decided to hold on to them for a few months somewhere else, but logic would suggest otherwise.

Edited October 20, 2018 by RBAGE

[brushman47544]

Unless these models are going to be air freighted, for Bachmann to publish on the 28/09/2018 that they would be released in September/October then they would already be at sea (6 weeks lead time from China).

Therefore, for the timing to be amended to November/December, it would appear that someone is being economical with the truth. 

I may be wrong and the models may have already been shipped from China on the 28/09/2018 and Bachmann have decided to hold on to them for a few months somewhere else, but logic would suggest otherwise.

Both the Summer and Autumn Bachmann Times magazine said they were on their way. The first time may have been written on the assumption they would be when the magazine was published but by the autumn edition they really should have been. Supposedly they were shipped from China before both the Mk2f coaches at POT TPOs.

[Verulam Central]

Where did the list go with Bachmann releases from sep 2018 to oct 2019 and why was it removed ? Bachmann website is awful to find this information compare to old site.  I  think its would be useful for customers to see a list on here even if just a est guide to relsease dates.  

[RBAGE]

Bachmann mid-year update posted by Andy York on the 31st of August described than as "in transit".

[Andy Y]

Both the Summer and Autumn Bachmann Times magazine said they were on their way. The first time may have been written on the assumption they would be when the magazine was published but by the autumn edition they really should have been. Supposedly they were shipped from China before both the Mk2f coaches at POT TPOs.

I had our review samples a few weeks ago and it will appear in December BRM which will be appearing in a couple of weeks so I'd say they'll start to show up in shops within the next 3 weeks or so if everything goes to usual timescales.

[lindi]

Where did the list go with Bachmann releases from sep 2018 to oct 2019 and why was it removed ? Bachmann website is awful to find this information compare to old site.  I  think its would be useful for customers to see a list on here even if just a est guide to relsease dates.  

 

Unfortunately Bachmann have said the information is meant for trade only, which is strange considering the information is for all to see on the Bachmann web site (just not formatted nicely in date order)

 

Go to this webpage  

 

https://www.Bachmann.co.uk/availability/ 

 

search for 'branchline 2018 -OO9' for 2018 releases and for 2019 just change the year in the search box. Remove the -OO9 if you also want to see narrow gauge

 

 

I totally agree that the information is very useful for modellers as at least it gives an indication of when an item is going to released (even if it may slip by a couple of months) and enables the modeller to manage their budget better.  

[BR Blue]

I contacted Bachmann about the FFA/FGAs and the later versions will be released at the same time as the original Freightliner ones.

 

A big hit to my wallet is now imminent.

[RBAGE]

I've read some "vacuum filling guff" on another thread which seems intended to corroborate logic and time defying explanations that a mere mortal, such as me, seems unable to comprehend.

 

"Eddies in the space time continuum".

 

"Ah", "is he, Is he?" 

[BR(S)]

A couple of questions about these wagons:

 

1) What period would the containers on 38-627 and 38-628 be suitable for?  I model mid-80s to early 1994.

 

https://www.hattons.co.uk/82922/Bachmann_Branchline_38_627_Classic_freightliner_bogie_wagons_Pack_of_2_outer_FGA_flats_with_3_20_1_40_ma/StockDetail.aspx

 

https://www.hattons.co.uk/82923/Bachmann_Branchline_38_628_Classic_freightliner_bogie_wagon_Single_inner_FFA_flat_with_1_20_1_40_maritim/StockDetail.aspx

 

2) I know they're not out yet, but would replacement containers from Realtrack fit these wagons? 

 

https://realtrackmodels.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=74_77 

[hmrspaul]

A couple of questions about these wagons:

 

1) What period would the containers on 38-627 and 38-628 be suitable for?  I model mid-80s to early 1994.

 

https://www.hattons.co.uk/82922/Bachmann_Branchline_38_627_Classic_freightliner_bogie_wagons_Pack_of_2_outer_FGA_flats_with_3_20_1_40_ma/StockDetail.aspx

 

https://www.hattons.co.uk/82923/Bachmann_Branchline_38_628_Classic_freightliner_bogie_wagon_Single_inner_FFA_flat_with_1_20_1_40_maritim/StockDetail.aspx

 

2) I know they're not out yet, but would replacement containers from Realtrack fit these wagons? 

 

https://realtrackmodels.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=74_77 

Not an expert, but I believe those containers are contemporary - this century. Certainly the MSC is very commonly seen. Hattons as too often have made a complete Cods of the era descriptions, I hope Simon Bendall will get them to get to grips with that. I do ocassionally write to  Hattons when an era is wrong for a wagon where my photos have been used.

 

Paul

[Barry Ten]

Not an expert, but I believe those containers are contemporary - this century. Certainly the MSC is very commonly seen. Hattons as too often have made a complete Cods of the era descriptions, I hope Simon Bendall will get them to get to grips with that. I do ocassionally write to  Hattons when an era is wrong for a wagon where my photos have been used.

 

Paul

 

MSC as a livery goes back quite a long way before the millennium (1984 at least) but the decider may be the type of container they've used for these models, whether they're the fabricated type or the later ones with angled ribs. Given the utility of these models for BR blue-era modellers I'm a bit surprised they haven't gone with a much more "period" choice of container types and liveries, but perhaps that'll follow in later releases.

 

Bell containers have been around since the 70s but the C-Rail ones (at least the one I own) has angled ribs. I'll be interested to see which type Bachmann do.

Edited November 5, 2018 by Barry Ten

[hmrspaul]

 Given the utility of these models for BR blue-era modellers I'm a bit surprised they haven't gone with a much more "period" choice of container types and liveries, but perhaps that'll follow in later releases.

 

 

They are doing https://www.hattons.co.uk/82920/Bachmann_Branchline_38_625_Classic_freightliner_bogie_wagons_Pack_of_2_outer_FGA_flats_with_3_20_2_30_I/StockDetail.aspx

These are very historical wagons and, with the security surrounding their use, getting photos of them in the early years is not easy - apart from the oft repeated BR officials. Even the livery of the frames is uncertain.

 

Paul

[Barry Ten]

They are doing https://www.hattons.co.uk/82920/Bachmann_Branchline_38_625_Classic_freightliner_bogie_wagons_Pack_of_2_outer_FGA_flats_with_3_20_2_30_I/StockDetail.aspx

These are very historical wagons and, with the security surrounding their use, getting photos of them in the early years is not easy - apart from the oft repeated BR officials. Even the livery of the frames is uncertain.

 

Paul

 

Sorry, I meant (and should have said) early commercial liveries, like CTI and so on. But I agree that it's very hard to get information.

Edited November 5, 2018 by Barry Ten

[Downendian]

There's a review on the flats and freightliner containers in November Railway modeller. Mighty fine models they look too, will have raid the piggy bank.

Neil

Edited November 5, 2018 by Downendian

[hmrspaul]

Sorry, I meant (and should have said) early commercial liveries, like CTI and so on. But I agree that it's very hard to get information.

You are confusing me because your declared modelling period is later for these wagons - they were 20 years old when your time period begins. I do have a selection of wagons from this period on my site - and requests for pictures such as the lovely panda don't appear to have resulted in models. [i don't model either the period or scale so not too interested in following up on such requests] The truely early period didn't have much maritime trade - it was brand new, the first container ships are just after freightliner wagons. Maritime and domestic were separated. The whole nearly failed - there were too many small depots and the closure rate was considerable.

 

There are some earlish train photos such as in http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/85326-dave-fs-photos-ongoing-more-added-5th-november/ But detail photos were difficult, they mainly worked from secure depot to secure depot - Freightliner was much like the whole of the freight scene is nowadays - commercially sensitive. Finally, can the model companies get the licences to reproduce the logos etc - all are protected by law.

 

There are also trade magazines for your period - Containerisation International - which had many advertising photos.

 

Paul