Railway Motors

[Merfyn Jones]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/recoveringscot/5335277161/sizes/o/in/photostream/

 

And another, Nice Ford ET6 parcel van and what looks a bit like a BRS Foden 8 legger with paper rolls.

[Merfyn Jones]

A few more from the same site, over 6000 piccys, and I enjoyed looking through them all.

First, a Scammell Scarab in Dublin, the first picture I have ever come across. Based at North Wall. I have numbers of 8 mechanical horses with Irish registrations so it must be one of those, wish you could read the number.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/recoveringscot/4818477343/

Bedford CF van at Penrith in 1973, looks to be straight out of it's box.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/recoveringscot/3408259326/

I think these may have been on here before ?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/recoveringscot/3213386336/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/recoveringscot/3213386098/in/photostream/

Scarab is MUS842 which is a 3 ton unit numbered HP 6068 Sc, pity the Jen Tug has it's number obscured.

 

Merf.

[Guest Phil]

Not sure if this pic has been mentioned yet ;

 

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5247/5224666104_febddf866a_b.jpg

 

Aston Windsor St 1970.

 

Breathe in that atmosphere !!!!

[Merfyn Jones]

Not sure if this pic has been mentioned yet ;

 

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5247/5224666104_febddf866a_b.jpg

 

Aston Windsor St 1970.

 

Breathe in that atmosphere !!!!

 

 

Facinating shot ! Message 528

[jcb 3c]

Great pics everyone , particular like the colour ET6 at Sittingbourne.

Nice pics of the Escort vans as well - the search for a BR Escort MK1 continues !

[Invicta]

http://www.flickr.co...in/photostream/

 

And another, Nice Ford ET6 parcel van and what looks a bit like a BRS Foden 8 legger with paper rolls.

 

That's a great pic of Sittingbourne- and a scene that's changed quite a bit over the years! What's the grey truck in the coal yard- a Bedford of some kind?

 

Modern-day comparisons, although from different angles

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22420011@N05/4456640803/

http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/00/17/2001726_3a936923.jpg

[DVLR Dave]

[/quote

 

]Yes, it looks very much like a Bedford TJ.

[John M]

Not sure if there are any published photographs but BR later modernised its Dublin North Wall based fleet with yellow Scammell Townsmen, at the time a school friends father was a BR driver.

 

The horse drawn vehicle in front of the Scarab may be a CIE dray making a city centre delivery from the Bachellors Walk depot or the North Wall. CIE later replaced its horse drawn vehicles with Scammell Townsmen and Bedford TK trucks in the late 1960s.

 

The buses in the background are in the changeover from the traditional green with "flying snail" to Dublin City Services dark blue and cream with CIE broken wheel logo which dates the photo in the early to mid 1960s.

 

A few more from the same site, over 6000 piccys, and I enjoyed looking through them all.

First, a Scammell Scarab in Dublin, the first picture I have ever come across. Based at North Wall. I have numbers of 8 mechanical horses with Irish registrations so it must be one of those, wish you could read the number.

http://www.flickr.co...cot/4818477343/

Bedford CF van at Penrith in 1973, looks to be straight out of it's box.

http://www.flickr.co...cot/3408259326/

I think these may have been on here before ?

http://www.flickr.co...cot/3213386336/

http://www.flickr.co...in/photostream/

Scarab is MUS842 which is a 3 ton unit numbered HP 6068 Sc, pity the Jen Tug has it's number obscured.

 

Merf.

[Merfyn Jones]

Not sure if there are any published photographs but BR later modernised its Dublin North Wall based fleet with yellow Scammell Townsmen, at the time a school friends father was a BR driver.

 

The horse drawn vehicle in front of the Scarab may be a CIE dray making a city centre delivery from the Bachellors Walk depot or the North Wall. CIE later replaced its horse drawn vehicles with Scammell Townsmen and Bedford TK trucks in the late 1960s.

 

The buses in the background are in the changeover from the traditional green with "flying snail" to Dublin City Services dark blue and cream with CIE broken wheel logo which dates the photo in the early to mid 1960s.

 

 

Thank you John for the info on the Irish side of B R. In my research I have found very little on the Irish end of things. One photo on the net of a yellow Bedford TK artic in possibly Dublin, doing a publicity maybe carnival appearance, advertising Sealink holidays to Wales, complete with Welsh narrow gauge steam loco on the back.

B R Illustrated had a couple of shots of a Seddon artic with a Freightliner container at I think Dun Laoghaire.

I remember seeing some Scammell Townsmen going to Ireland. They were cast offs from the UK, and they were seen one morning in 5 plank open wagons traveling through Llandudno Junction in about 1978-9.

Merf.

[jcb 3c]

Something for the weekend .Mainly run of the mill yellow stuff

 

Dodge crewbus and Marina at Cupar

 

http://myrailwaystation.com/OTHER%20RAILWAY%20PHOTOS/pages/CUPAR%20East%20Signal%20Box%201990_jpg.htm

 

 

Bedford CF at Marylebone

 

http://myrailwaystation.com/RAILWAY%20STATIONS/pages/MARYLEBONE%20%20STATION%20%20Ex%20G_%20C_%20R_jpg.htm

 

 

Looks like a TK , Terrier and CF at Wormit

 

http://myrailwaystation.com/FORMER%20LOCATIONS/pages/WORMIT%20STATION%20The%20small%20building%20at%20the%20extreme%20right%20of%20the%20photo%20is%20part%20of%20the%20old%20station%20Ex%20N_%20B_%20_jpg.htm

 

 

Seddon Atkinson road railer

 

 

http://myrailwaystation.com/OTHER%20RAILWAY%20PHOTOS/pages/RANNOCK%20STATION%202005_%20A%20Permanent%20Way%20lorry%20enters%20the%20station_jpg.htm

 

 

Commer at Botley

 

http://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/wps/portal/publicsite/!ut/p/c5/hc7LCoMwEAXQLypzTUiiy9KH0UWk9qXZSCgiAR9dlEL_vrqTUtuZ5bnDHbI0bu-evnEPP_SupYKsrGTIc5FEHJmJFBLog2HgAU5s9HLmYDICuxiTK7ULjlr8ub5OfbNEiHhKyM32bFLEmfzpEOrDv_RPjoVZg4weuppKsmrxz5RR2daNu73o3hXwyWr_BgTCEuQ!/dl3/d3/L0lJSklna21DU1EhIS9JRGpBQU15QUJFUkNKRXFnLzRGR2dzbzBWdnphOUlBOW9JQSEhLzdfNjgzUjVJOTMwT045NzBJMEhRTjIwMzEwSjIvcG5QUWkzODk2MDIzMy9zYS5zcGZfQWN0aW9uTGlzdGVuZXI!/?PC_7_683R5I930ON970I0HQN20310J2012425_spf_strutsAction=!2frecordSearch.do!3fmethod%3drecordSearch!26offset%3d3#7_683R5I930ON970I0HQN20310J2

 

 

FG and Terrier Botley

http://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/wps/portal/publicsite/!ut/p/c5/hc7LCoMwEAXQLypzTUiiy9KH0UWk9qXZSCgiAR9dlEL_vrqTUtuZ5bnDHbI0bu-evnEPP_SupYKsrGTIc5FEHJmJFBLog2HgAU5s9HLmYDICuxiTK7ULjlr8ub5OfbNEiHhKyM32bFLEmfzpEOrDv_RPjoVZg4weuppKsmrxz5RR2daNu73o3hXwyWr_BgTCEuQ!/dl3/d3/L0lJSklna21DU1EhIS9JRGpBQU15QUJFUkNKRXFnLzRGR2dzbzBWdnphOUlBOW9JQSEhLzdfNjgzUjVJOTMwT045NzBJMEhRTjIwMzEwSjIvOmhQUWkzODk2MDI2MC9zYS5zcGZfQWN0aW9uTGlzdGVuZXI!/?PC_7_683R5I930ON970I0HQN20310J2012425_spf_strutsAction=!2frecordSearch.do!3fmethod%3drecordSearch!26offset%3d3#7_683R5I930ON970I0HQN20310J2

 

 

Terrier and D series tractor , trailers at Osney Lane Oxford

 

http://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/wps/portal/publicsite/!ut/p/c5/hc7LCoMwEAXQLypzTUiiy9KH0UWk9qXZSCgiAR9dlEL_vrqTUtuZ5bnDHbI0bu-evnEPP_SupYKsrGTIc5FEHJmJFBLog2HgAU5s9HLmYDICuxiTK7ULjlr8ub5OfbNEiHhKyM32bFLEmfzpEOrDv_RPjoVZg4weuppKsmrxz5RR2daNu73o3hXwyWr_BgTCEuQ!/dl3/d3/L0lJSklna21DU1EhIS9JRGpBQU15QUJFUkNKRXFnLzRGR2dzbzBWdnphOUlBOW9JQSEhLzdfNjgzUjVJOTMwT045NzBJMEhRTjIwMzEwSjIvOHFQUWkzODk2MDM2My9zYS5zcGZfQWN0aW9uTGlzdGVuZXI!/?PC_7_683R5I930ON970I0HQN20310J2012425_spf_strutsAction=!2frecordSearch.do!3fmethod%3drecordSearch!26offset%3d1#7_683R5I930ON970I0HQN20310J2

 

FG at Osney Lane Oxford

 

http://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/wps/portal/publicsite/!ut/p/c5/hc7LCoMwEAXQLypzTUiiy9KH0UWk9qXZSCgiAR9dlEL_vrqTUtuZ5bnDHbI0bu-evnEPP_SupYKsrGTIc5FEHJmJFBLog2HgAU5s9HLmYDICuxiTK7ULjlr8ub5OfbNEiHhKyM32bFLEmfzpEOrDv_RPjoVZg4weuppKsmrxz5RR2daNu73o3hXwyWr_BgTCEuQ!/dl3/d3/L0lJSklna21DU1EhIS9JRGpBQU15QUJFUkNKRXFnLzRGR2dzbzBWdnphOUlBOW9JQSEhLzdfNjgzUjVJOTMwT045NzBJMEhRTjIwMzEwSjIvTDRPUWkzODk2MDgyMy9zYS5zcGZfQWN0aW9uTGlzdGVuZXI!/?PC_7_683R5I930ON970I0HQN20310J2012425_spf_strutsAction=!2frecordSearch.do!3fmethod%3drecordSearch!26offset%3d0#7_683R5I930ON970I0HQN20310J2

[jcb 3c]

Bad links at Oxford I'm working on it !

[DVLR Dave]

Apologies of this has appeared before *Marina* van at Skipton 1987:My link

 

And a Bruff at Holbeck 1986: My link

[jcb 3c]

Nice clear pictures DVLR interesting background vehicles at Skipton as well.

 

I can't link the Oxford vehicles above but if you go to this site these are the photo numbers ,enter them into search (some just glimpses !) -

http://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/wps/portal/publicsite/!ut/p/c5/hc7LCoMwEAXQLypzTUiiy9KH0UWk9qXZSCgiAR9dlEL_vrqTUtuZ5bnDHbI0bu-evnEPP_SupYKsrGTIc5FEHJmJFBLog2HgAU5s9HLmYDICuxiTK7ULjlr8ub5OfbNEiHhKyM32bFLEmfzpEOrDv_RPjoVZg4weuppKsmrxz5RR2daNu73o3hXwyWr_BgTCEuQ!/dl3/d3/L0lJSklna21DU1EhIS9JRGpBQU15QUJFUkNKRXFnLzRGR2dzbzBWdnphOUlBOW9JQSEhLzdfNjgzUjVJOTMwT045NzBJMEhRTjIwMzEwSjIvUmRFQkY1NTkxMDIzMy9zYS5zcGZfQWN0aW9uTGlzdGVuZXI!/?PC_7_683R5I930ON970I0HQN20310J2012425_spf_strutsAction=!2fbasicSearch.do!3fmethod%3dsearch#7_683R5I930ON970I0HQN20310J2

 

Numbers-

D205321a

D205324a

D251281a

D205328a

[jcb 3c]

Wolverhampton 1960 Morris’s and others

 

http://www.photobydjnorton.com/RailwayPictures/FrontageOfWhamptonHLStn.jpg

 

 

Melksham –back end of a truck !

 

http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/goods_yard_c1960.jpg

[Merfyn Jones]

Wolverhampton 1960 Morris’s and others

 

Melksham –back end of a truck !

 

 

Superb selection at Wolvs there jcb.

Morris Commercial NV (with maybe a second one partialy hidden)

Bedford CAV van

Commer Q15, 15cwt normal control parcel van

Karrier Bantam mechanical horse.

And hasn't the station changed !

 

Standard Western Region body as fitted to many different makes. But the loco seems the wrong shade of green for Wiltshire.

[jcb 3c]

Its nice when you find a little gem after looking at loads of er ... trains.

Didn't realise the CA van was BR as well.

[Merfyn Jones]

Its nice when you find a little gem after looking at loads of er ... trains.

Didn't realise the CA van was BR as well.

 

 

Yes but don't you find some interesting train shots too.

The CA van seems to be carrying ladders. I wonder if that was the one driven by Bill Stickers, he always seemed to get into trouble.

Merf.

[jcb 3c]

Suppose them train things might interest some

Here's a couple of well cared for Thames Trader at Woodlesford -

 

 

http://woodlesfordstation.co.uk/GoodsandParcels.aspx

[Merfyn Jones]

Suppose them train things might interest some

Here's a couple of well cared for Thames Trader at Woodlesford -

 

 

http://woodlesfordstation.co.uk/GoodsandParcels.aspx

 

 

Another superb find jcb. Not a trader however but a Ford Thames 500E 2ton of July 1954. The Trader was the later replacment.

Merf.

[jcb 3c]

Thanks Merf -On a different computer in Leeds and google seems to pick up different stuff !!!

Always confused with 50s Fords , make can be either Fordson , Thames or Ford and then some model names are Thames as well ,thats before we get to model no.s !! I see these proudly display Thames on bonnet .

[Merfyn Jones]

Thanks Merf -On a different computer in Leeds and google seems to pick up different stuff !!!

Always confused with 50s Fords , make can be either Fordson , Thames or Ford and then some model names are Thames as well ,thats before we get to model no.s !! I see these proudly display Thames on bonnet .

 

 

Confused by Fords, yes me too.

My findings are that old Henry started producing his Model T in Britain as a car then some were given commercial bodies. Then when a seperate range of commercial vehicles came along they were marketed as Fordson, until sometime in I think the early 1950s when they became Ford Thames (to coincide with being Dagenham built) The Thames part was dropped around 1965 when the Transit and D series were introduced (Southampton built ?)

Hope that is correct and makes some sense.

Merf.

[Merfyn Jones]

Back with the models, an update with a few recent deliverys from Oxford.

 

The Commer Q25 van in LNER livery. Numbered EF 2321, reg. HGU709 new in May 1946 it was actually fitted with a coachbuilt parcel van body . The model is of the factory built van body which was similar.

 

The Scammell Scarab is numbered 4481 W, reg.OLB246 a c1955 3ton model in the livery it would have carried after 1963. The trailer numbered 3TD 70327 a 3 ton van in the 1963 livery as used for the inter station transfers in London.

 

The fire engine based on a Scammell mechanical horse numbered 33461 W, reg. CGK912, uses the existing 6 ton M H casting with a new fire tender body based on the photograph showh a few weeks back on this thread.

 

Merf.

[PhilJ W]

Confused by Fords, yes me too.

My findings are that old Henry started producing his Model T in Britain as a car then some were given commercial bodies. Then when a seperate range of commercial vehicles came along they were marketed as Fordson, until sometime in I think the early 1950s when they became Ford Thames (to coincide with being Dagenham built) The Thames part was dropped around 1965 when the Transit and D series were introduced (Southampton built ?)

Hope that is correct and makes some sense.

Merf.

The different names used by Ford for their products is indeed confusing. The name Fordson came into use from 1933 for Ford's Dagenham made trucks but may have been used prior to that date for tractors. The Thames name was used from 1938 for the light vans up to about 20 cwt. The confusion arises because all commercials were then marketed under the Fordson-Thames banner. The Fordson name was dropped for the heavier commercials in 1950 when all commercials became Thames but the Tractors remained as Fordson. The Thames name continued until the introduction of the 'D' series when the only name for all products became Ford.

[Merfyn Jones]

http://www.6g.nwrail.org.uk/allanjuddpage.html

 

And talking of Ford, another Ford Thames ET6, similar goods yard shots at Llanfairpwllgwyngillgogerychwyndrobwyllantesiliogogogoch but why did people always pose in front of the numbers ? 50?? B M

Thanks Phil for adding to my limited knowledge if the situation.

Merf.

[Merfyn Jones]

And another on the same site of a Dodge and a Bruff re railing unit. The latter even in use on my layout ! About half way down the page.

Merf.

 

 

http://www.6g.nwrail.org.uk/mainline.htm