18B Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Afternoon Whilst researching Wath the following trains were noted from Wath Up Down 10:55 9T68 SO Frickley Colliery – Wath 20:59 8E78 MX Dewsnap – Tees * 06:45 9M15 MO Hickleton – Glazebrook * 20:48 7E54 MXQ Ellesmere Port – Pontefract * 04:50 9M15 MSX Hickleton – Glazebrook * 03:13 9L01 MSX Wath – Hickleton 10:55 9T68 SO Frickley Colliery - Wath 05:55 0M15 MO Wath - Hickleton 11:52 9T66 SX Frickley Colliery - Wath 09:32 9T68 SO Wath – Frickley Colliery 13:56 9T68 SO Hickleton – Wath 12:42 9T68 SO Wath - Hickleton 15:06 9T66 SX Frickley Colliery - Wath 13:52 9T66 SX Wath – Frickley Colliery and yet at some point later, they were no longer being served by Wath men, would anyone happen to have any info as to who and where they were being served from? Knottingly Men perhaps? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginelane Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Afternoon Whilst researching Wath the following trains were noted from Wath Up Down 10:55 9T68 SO Frickley Colliery – Wath 20:59 8E78 MX Dewsnap – Tees * 06:45 9M15 MO Hickleton – Glazebrook * 20:48 7E54 MXQ Ellesmere Port – Pontefract * 04:50 9M15 MSX Hickleton – Glazebrook * 03:13 9L01 MSX Wath – Hickleton 10:55 9T68 SO Frickley Colliery - Wath 05:55 0M15 MO Wath - Hickleton 11:52 9T66 SX Frickley Colliery - Wath 09:32 9T68 SO Wath – Frickley Colliery 13:56 9T68 SO Hickleton – Wath 12:42 9T68 SO Wath - Hickleton 15:06 9T66 SX Frickley Colliery - Wath 13:52 9T66 SX Wath – Frickley Colliery and yet at some point later, they were no longer being served by Wath men, would anyone happen to have any info as to who and where they were being served from? Knottingly Men perhaps? In what year? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
18B Posted November 11, 2014 Author Share Posted November 11, 2014 In what year? 1970 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 I don't have any specialised knowledge of this, but could the change have occurred when MGR traffic started running direct from pit to power station, doing away with the trips to yards such as Wath? If this was the case, would KY men work to Eggborough, Drax etc, while TI men would work to West Burton, Cottam etc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6Y99 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 The Rapid loading bunkers at both these collieries was commissioned in 1970. Most of the coal for from these collieries being destined for Ferrybridge and Fiddlers Ferry. As part of the Aire Valley agreement only knottingley men visited these collieries and knottingley men did have route knowledge to Wath. It is possible that the part fitted coal trips finished when MGR working was implemented and 1970 would also coincide with the opening of Fiddlers Ferry P.S. at the same time c1970. Knottingley Depot at that time would have been made up train crew that would have previously been based at Cudworth Midland & H&B, Royston, Ardsley, Wakefield Kirkgate and other obscure depots that closed along with steam traction finishing. So the men at the depot would have knowledge to Wath. I remember one old hand Knottingley Driver who recently retired that going to Wooley Colliery and Healey Mills Yard was classed as a day out by Knottingley men. When the Aire Valley agreement was abolished under the EWS DRI in late 1997/98. Saw Knottingley men spread there wings with the creation of the North, South and Lodge Links for the 1st time in 30 years they went further then Doncaster,Maltby, York and Healey Mills! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
18B Posted November 15, 2014 Author Share Posted November 15, 2014 Thank you 6Y99 for your reply, what was the Airre Valley Agreement? Interesting RE: Royston shed, where did their men go on closure, just to Knottinghley or any to Wath and Healey Mills? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6Y99 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 The Train Crew dependent on seniority went all over the place, Doncaster, Konttingley, Holbeck, Wath, so on and so on. The Aire Valley Agreement was an agreement reached between the Knottingley LDC and BR in a nut shell the Drivers and Guards had the Eastern Region by the nuts! Knottingley Depot prop't up the Eastern Region it made them the most money. The Depot was moving 400,000 tons of coal every 5 days BR could not afford the trains to stop! So in 1966 when the depot opened a set of agreements was reached where Knottingley men could only work trains into its power stations these being Drax, Eggborough and Ferrybridge and the same with what it deemed to be its "local pits" So the depot only worked trains from Kellingley, Winterset, Prince of Wales, Sharlestone, Askern, Bentley, Nostel, Wheldale Peckfield, Wooley and Frickley and Goldthorpe and Grimethorpe and later Gas Wood. There was a lot of other benefits with the Aire Valley Agreement as well. The Depots route knowledge was limited to York in the north and Doncaster in the South and Wath and Healey Mills and Goole and Hull from 1989. When EWS bought out the Trainload Companies as part of DRI the agreement was abolished and it was was allowed for other depots to work trains into the power stations and like wise Knottingley men spread their wings and learned the road to Liecester (South Link) and Ayr (Lodge Link) and Tyne Yard and Tees (North Link) Hull and Immingham (All links) If you want I can go into the Aire Valley Agrement in detail Also you might be intrested to know that there is a Wath Trip Notice book for sale on E BAY Dated 1973. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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