Fat Controller Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Greetings all. Hope you had a splendid Christmas and New Year. I was just looking at Geoff Plumb's pictures of the Cambrian line. Would i be correct in thinking this an LMS pattern brake van? http://plumbloco.smugmug.com/Trains/CambrianCoastLines/i-ZXrqwPG/A They seem not to be available in 00. And while i have your attention, which locos were pulling freight trains on the Cambrian after 'diesel-isation', or post-steam (if you prefer)? //eddy The brake van is an ex-LMS one. There is a reasonable model available in the Hornby range sometimes, which I think was originally in the Airfix/GMR range. It's of a diagram that doesn't have the ballast box (visible in the photo), but that's not too hard to knock up out of some plastic sheet. Cambrian freights post-dieselisation would have originally been BR Class 24, then Class 25. I believe Class 20 made visits to Aberystwyth on the oil train, but I believe that's it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanbuttler Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Flickr has some good diesel freight photos: Class 25 on oil train near Commis Coch - https://www.flickr.com/photos/tunnel_one/6775254501/in/faves-cambrian_al/ Calss 24 on pickup goods at Tywyn - https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/7006643430/in/faves-cambrian_al/ Class 25 pickup goods near Criccieth - https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/7152749765/in/set-72157629623169032 Class 24 goods at Tywyn - https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/6626802179 Class 25 goods at Portmadoc - https://www.flickr.com/photos/23700069@N03/4894225116 Class 20's double headed the oil train once a week if I remember rightly, in the evening. I'm sure I've seen a picture somewhere of them slogging up Talerddig, I'll see if I can find it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 7, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2015 Flickr has some good diesel freight photos: Class 25 on oil train near Commis Coch - https://www.flickr.com/photos/tunnel_one/6775254501/in/faves-cambrian_al/ Calss 24 on pickup goods at Tywyn - https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/7006643430/in/faves-cambrian_al/ Class 25 pickup goods near Criccieth - https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/7152749765/in/set-72157629623169032 Class 24 goods at Tywyn - https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/6626802179 Class 25 goods at Portmadoc - https://www.flickr.com/photos/23700069@N03/4894225116 Class 20's double headed the oil train once a week if I remember rightly, in the evening. I'm sure I've seen a picture somewhere of them slogging up Talerddig, I'll see if I can find it Nice links Alan - many thanks for posting Easliy done but no 3 is a 24 - clue is has headcode box but no roof mounted horns. Bachmann have locos in that batch on their production list this year Kind regards Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanbuttler Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Thanks for the correction Phil :-) Do you know when the goods ran up until? I'm guessing 1970s as by the time we moved to Mid Wales in 82 the only non passenger of interest would be the 20's on the tanker train. There would be 31s now and then on engineering trains but that was your lot! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 For some lengthy video coverage of the Cambrian, I can recommend Steam Byways Vol2 from Railfilms, part of the Geoff Bannister collection. It is not all 1960s, in fact much is late 50s film but most is in colour and it covers the entire system from Wrexham and Whitchurch, not just the Mid-Wales and Cambrian coast lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Thanks for the correction Phil :-) Do you know when the goods ran up until? I'm guessing 1970s as by the time we moved to Mid Wales in 82 the only non passenger of interest would be the 20's on the tanker train. There would be 31s now and then on engineering trains but that was your lot! David Ratcliffe, in his 'Freight Train Formations' book has a consist as late as 11/12/1979 (empty Gunpowder vans, Vanfits of sugar beet nuts and a solitary coal wagon) He gives a date of March 1983 for the end of wagon-load services to Tywyn and Aberystwyth, services beyond Tywyn having been suspended some time before (June 1980) following the Teredo Worm problems at Barmouth Viaduct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Rosenlund Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Great ! although i've seen those pics already. Interesting that there's a brake van with a diesel! Was that common, or usual? Anybody know what the rules were for attaching brake vans? Was it a question of weight, maybe, or type of goods? //eddy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 8, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2015 Hi Eddy Up until around 1968 all freights were still required to have a brake van on the end regardless of traction. Post 1968 the guard was permitted to ride in the rear cab of the hauling diesel on fully fitted freights - air brake or vacuum - but if a freight was unfitted or partially fitted - fitted vehicles at the front of course and connected to the loco - then a brake van was still required. Still are required in certain circumstances eg propelling or unusual loads. Hope that helps Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Rosenlund Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Certainly does, Phil! i was curious because of the photo of the Class 25 pick-up train at Criccieth, taken in the early 70's. I thought diesels didn't need 'em. Very interesting.. //eddy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton961 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Just to add another nice picture of Cambrian freight in the 1960,s, 78000 at Barmouth. David. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton961 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I have managed to find another photo of an Ivatt Class 2 2-6-0 on freight, 46521 at Portmadoc. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 14, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2015 Nice picture David Is there a date? I reckon 46521 must have been just about the last Ivatt 2 on the Cambrian in 1966 Kind regards Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanbuttler Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Looks very late I think, the loco shed roof is in bits! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton961 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Don't know the date but the loco was on the Cambrian untill 1966 as Phil pointed out. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanbuttler Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Photo of 46521 at Mach in August 1966, plus mention of 46446 still in service - in Booklaw's The Cambrian Mainline book Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotcent Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I like the picture of 46521. But I'm intrigued by the headlamp code. Can anyone clarify it for this foreigner? Allan F Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I like the picture of 46521. But I'm intrigued by the headlamp code. Can anyone clarify it for this foreigner? Allan F Looks like LMR lamps on WR brackets !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 20, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 20, 2015 Looks like LMR lamps on WR brackets !! Presumably turned as shunting to the rear being carried out judging by driver and ground signal? An unofficial way of acknowledging the rule book perhaps? Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Presumably turned as shunting to the rear being carried out judging by driver and ground signal? An unofficial way of acknowledging the rule book perhaps? Phil Unfortunately not possible Phil. A lamp has only one fitting on the back. Or the side in the case of the WR ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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