RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted December 18, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 18, 2014 In the interests of keeping the DMU thread on topic have started a new one to answer this question See http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/93645-western-region-dmus/page-2 Brian W suggested 75xxx or 22xx To that list we can add a Manor https://www.flickr.com/photos/125589658@N08/14289019860/in/photolist-nLEXMo-nGadph-npGtTM-npGnrm-nGbKMX-npG7rE-nHY5QP-nE9E3h-nGaLCq-nGci56-nGaRPY-nGchFk-npGCiU-nFUhgH-nFUhAv-nE9yiw-npGSGL-feHiHg-daZcaJ-nHYApP-npGSZQ-nE9z1J-nFUkW8-nFZzNs-nFUhJM-nHYHpk-npGV96-npGQUC-nHYGu4-nE9xhJ-nFZA61-nFUnG2-npGRi3-nGcfxH-npGXgT-nGaHu1-npGx9A-npGP29-nGaNnN-npGzZB-nFUggg-npGSKi-npGwWG-npGZ7X-npGAFr-npGMs7-nGc9Va-npH1sn-nFZF97-nGcbov Although the caption is a few miles out - that's Machynlleth rather than Aberystwyth I think its fair to say that the Standards became more common as the 22xx and Manors declined - although Manors were still active until 1965 Kind regards Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Rosenlund Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Brill! i'm spoiled for choice! Would it matter if the loco was black or green? //eddy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted December 18, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 18, 2014 By early 60s suspect all Manors were green Can also add 63xx 2-6-0 to list as staple Cambrian power But if Manors float your boat - http://www.erlestokemanorfund.co.uk/index.htmlis a good starting point Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Rosenlund Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Having a spot of bother finding any of the above with a late emblem, especially Manors, although i really like the 63xx. Bear in mind i'm forced to order online, living as i do in sweden. Any recommendations for reliable suppliers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Rosenlund Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 would 3MTs have been used? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted December 18, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 18, 2014 3MT less common on freight but given the nature of Cambrian diagrams any of the main line locos were likely to appear on passenger or freight. The standards increased as ex WR locos decreased Currently correct and available Cambrian locos are Ivatt 2mt 2-6-0: http://www.ehattons.com/52596/Bachmann_Branchline_32_828A_Class_2MT_Ivatt_2_6_0_46526_in_BR_lined_green_late_crest_weathered/StockDetail.aspx Doesn't seem to be much else Cambrian around at the moment unfortunately. Have you thought about second hand? Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Rosenlund Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I have, Phil, yes, but given my location, British model railway is hard to come by second hand. There's plenty of Marklin, but european stuff doesn't interest me at all. Frankly i find the locos to be quite unattractive i was going for a 2MT actually, although for a small passenger train. I'll keep sniffing around for any pictures, or other evidence, of Cambrian freight trains. It doesn't have to be big, as my layout will most likely be 6x4 (ish). Could i get away with a 42xx/5205 2-8-0, or a 64xx/6412 0-6-0? //eddy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted December 19, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 19, 2014 Admire your taste in locos Eddy! Definitely not a 42xx - too heavy 64xx were autofitted and I don't recall seeing any pictures of them on the Cambrian but their non fitted cousins 74xx were certainly around - heres Aberystwyth's pet 7428 which still bore the magical GWR as late as the 1960s http://www.rail-online.co.uk/p687266031/h36858BAD#h36858bad You might find http://www.railuk.info/steam/getshed.php?id=654useful to trawl for what was around and oh look Oswestry did have a 64xx - 6404 Kind regards Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall5 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 From 1960 to the end of steam we always had our annual family holiday on the Cambrian. As Phil said most loco types could be seen equally hauling freight or passenger although Manors weren't used on freight much until nearer the end. The line was a blue route in the 60's so the heaviest locos were the 78xx and 75xxx. During the 1961-3 period (my favourite) you would see 2251's, 55xx, Moguls and Manors with 465xx and 78xxx nearly always in lined green. At Barmouth 74xx could be seen on the Dolgelly trains but no other panniers for some reason. At first the LMR takeover had little effect but the 55xx disappeared first followed by the 2251's and then the 53/63xx. The standard 4 tanks from the LT&S seemed to replace the 82xxx and at the end even 76xxx made an appearance. Rex Kennedy's book 'Steam on the Cambrian' is a useful source of reference as is a similarly named Ian Allan colour album. I still have my notebooks from the time so can give you specific loco numbers but it'd have to wait 'til I get back from holiday. Best of luck with your project. Ray. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Rosenlund Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 http://plumbloco.smugmug.com/Trains/CambrianCoastLines/i-gT4RJCw Oh joy found this site today. Perhaps you're on one of these trains, Ray? Thanks for sharing your memories. Most helpful, and very informative. As far as i can recall, i only ever got to travel between Shrewsbury and Gobowen, Oswestry having been closed for years. The site posted above and information like Ray's will make it so much easier to make a decent authentic layout! //eddy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted December 20, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2014 Cracking find Eddy Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dampflok Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 http://plumbloco.smugmug.com/Trains/CambrianCoastLines/i-gT4RJCw Oh joy found this site today. Perhaps you're on one of these trains, Ray? Thanks for sharing your memories. Most helpful, and very informative. As far as i can recall, i only ever got to travel between Shrewsbury and Gobowen, Oswestry having been closed for years. The site posted above and information like Ray's will make it so much easier to make a decent authentic layout! //eddy Hi Eddy, pleased that you found my site and that the photos may be of some help to you in your project! I was going to post a reply on this topic with a few links to photos yesterday evening, but in the event was too tired to do so... Incidentally, the link you have posted takes you to the second page of thumbnails, the link below should take you to the start of the gallery: http://plumbloco.smugmug.com/Trains/CambrianCoastLines I do have quite a lot more shots and hope to add some more in the near future, as time permits. Cheers, Geoff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted December 20, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2014 Super photos Geoff Many thanks for sharing them, the Cambrian has always held a fascination for me although I missed steam - shame Kind regards Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Rosenlund Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Wow! Absolutely brilliant Thanks for the link, Geoff. Although i mean to start with Era V trains, this has inspired me! There will eventually be as much Cambrian stuff as i can lay my sticky mitts on whizzing around my layout, which i've now decided to make a little larger than i'd originally intended. Off to the building supplies warehouse with me then! Can anyone tell me if there are decals available, so i could change the locos numbers? I'm sure that a lot of the locos i am going to want are available, but it would be great if they were the right locos, so to speak. //eddy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted December 21, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 21, 2014 Hi Eddy Modelmaster and Fox transfers both have comprehensive ranges - and Railtec may do you a specific sheet for any given loco, Steve certainly does that for diesels. The beauty of ex GW locos is that you can just stick an etched name plate over the printed one! Have you settled on any particular locos yet? Cheers Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton961 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Eddy, Remember that the BR Class 3 tanks working on the Cambrian could be in both lined and unlined green and the BR standard Class 4 4-6-0 could be in both lined black and lined green. Similarly the Ivatt Class 2 2-6-0 tender engines could be in both lined black, lined green and unlined green. Therefore you need to be carefull renumbering to make sure the correct number goes with the correct livery. By 1964 the remaining Manors were in terrible external condition some running without nameplates and BR class 4 2-6-0 were appearing (76xx) in lined black. You can also have as part of the freight trains Gunpoweder vans as they were used to bring in explosives for some of the quarries. In 1962 I spent a week near Morfa Mawdach station ( the other side of the Barmouth bridge) and watched the trains every day. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Rosenlund Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Eddy, Remember that the BR Class 3 tanks working on the Cambrian could be in both lined and unlined green and the BR standard Class 4 4-6-0 could be in both lined black and lined green. Similarly the Ivatt Class 2 2-6-0 tender engines could be in both lined black, lined green and unlined green. Therefore you need to be carefull renumbering to make sure the correct number goes with the correct livery. By 1964 the remaining Manors were in terrible external condition some running without nameplates and BR class 4 2-6-0 were appearing (76xx) in lined black. You can also have as part of the freight trains Gunpoweder vans as they were used to bring in explosives for some of the quarries. In 1962 I spent a week near Morfa Mawdach station ( the other side of the Barmouth bridge) and watched the trains every day. David Hej David! Thanks Plenty to think about//eddy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Rosenlund Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Hi Eddy Modelmaster and Fox transfers both have comprehensive ranges - and Railtec may do you a specific sheet for any given loco, Steve certainly does that for diesels. The beauty of ex GW locos is that you can just stick an etched name plate over the printed one! Have you settled on any particular locos yet? Cheers Phil hej Phil! It will be a 2MT. Pulling freight if it's authentic to run a class 101 DMU at the same time. Having said that, wasn't/isn't the Cambrian line single track? I'm aiming for a layout that's mostly countryside.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted December 21, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 21, 2014 Yes Cambrian was largely single track. Have a feeling the 76xxx 2-6-0s didn't appear until 66 but could be proved wrong.... To be accurate you will probably be wanting a 2MT that finished on the Cambrian - 46521 (now preserved) was there until her nemesis late in 1966, a lot of the others were transferred away when the DMUs arrived Cheers Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanbuttler Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Hi Eddy, if you are after Manor's they come up frequently on ebay and you can regularly catch a bargin for £30-40. Manor's did seem to be frequent choice of motive power for the pickup goods. I've a few photos Manor's on goods services - Hinton Manor shunting at Oswestry, another at Moat Lane Junction, Draycott Manor at Caersws. There's also the Std class 2 78xxx though these are only available in kit form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted December 22, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 22, 2014 Hi Alan Was only wondering if you might happen along as I was reading my Mid-Wales Railway tome yesterday and of course your avatar - Mr David Davies - cropped up. Love the pictures of Llandinam - have waded over the remains of the bridge pillars a few times when fishing there Interesting to look at the Cambrian power isn't it? Evolved rapidly over the 60s - standards replacing GW types, (63xx, 22xx, 45xx), then the standard tanks being replaced by the DMUs until just 75xxx and occasional 76xxx remained in 66/7 Wish I had been there to see it too! First visit in 66 so line was still open - justKind regards Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanbuttler Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Hi Phil, Llandinam is a lovely spot, I too wish I could have been around to see the line operational. It would have made a wonderful preserved line! Though quite restricted in motive power on the mid wales line. I'd read recently that towards the end of the construction of clywedog dam, 8F's were seen as far as Newtown, delivering presflo's to be taken onwards to the railhead at Llanidloes by Ivatt or Class 24's towards the last months of the line Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Rosenlund Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Hi Eddy, if you are after Manor's they come up frequently on ebay and you can regularly catch a bargin for £30-40. Manor's did seem to be frequent choice of motive power for the pickup goods. I've a few photos Manor's on goods services - Hinton Manor shunting at Oswestry, another at Moat Lane Junction, Draycott Manor at Caersws. There's also the Std class 2 78xxx though these are only available in kit form.Manors are definitely nice. I will acquire one sooner or later got my heart set on a 2MT to begin with, and the Bachmann DMU Class 101 "Shrewsbury/Aberystwyth". Even if the two never saw each other, it won't matter, as my layout will be single track, so there won't be any anachronism with them running at the same time //eddy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanbuttler Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 I'm not sure when DMU's first arrived in service, but 46521 and others were still operating around Machynlleth in 1965 so it won't be that out of place Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Rosenlund Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Greetings all. Hope you had a splendid Christmas and New Year. I was just looking at Geoff Plumb's pictures of the Cambrian line. Would i be correct in thinking this an LMS pattern brake van? http://plumbloco.smugmug.com/Trains/CambrianCoastLines/i-ZXrqwPG/A They seem not to be available in 00. And while i have your attention, which locos were pulling freight trains on the Cambrian after 'diesel-isation', or post-steam (if you prefer)? //eddy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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