Midland Railway Company

[Compound2632]

There is a flood damage appeal. I'm on holiday and posting from my wife's phone and can't work out how to paste a link so please could some kind person do so. It's on the Derby Museums website.

[Aire Head]

1 hour ago, Compound2632 said:

There is a flood damage appeal. I'm on holiday and posting from my wife's phone and can't work out how to paste a link so please could some kind person do so. It's on the Derby Museums website.

 

 

As requested.

 

https://derbymuseums.org/news/derby-museums-flood-damage-appeal/

 

FYI that website is a bit infuriating to navigate I had to use the search function to find it.

[Compound2632]

13 minutes ago, Aire Head said:

 

As requested.

 

Much appreciated.

[Aire Head]

8 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

 

Much appreciated.

Least I could do to help!

 

I will post it up with the LMS society on Facebook too

Edited October 23, 2023 by Aire Head

[Compound2632]

I've seen an email from Tony Butler, Executive Director of Derby Museums, who says that they hope to claim for consequential loss of income on their insurance. Also they've had to turn down offers from members of the public with mops as the insurers will insist on cleaning being done by a professional firm. Upside of preliminary inspection is that no sewage has got into the building.

[Tom Burnham]

Done - we really enjoyed the museum when we visited last year.

[kevinlms]

18 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

I've seen an email from Tony Butler, Executive Director of Derby Museums, who says that they hope to claim for consequential loss of income on their insurance. Also they've had to turn down offers from members of the public with mops as the insurers will insist on cleaning being done by a professional firm. Upside of preliminary inspection is that no sewage has got into the building.

The biggest problem with building damage by water is mould. That needs proper treatment and quite possibly replacement of walls and wiring. 

Getting rid of the water is the easy part. 

[jamie92208]

5 hours ago, kevinlms said:

The biggest problem with building damage by water is mould. That needs proper treatment and quite possibly replacement of walls and wiring. 

Getting rid of the water is the easy part. 

If the building was designed with floods in mind  I would hope that there are no low level power points etc and that the wall claddings are wateproof  on the ground floor.  However drying out and dehumidifyingl are vital. 

 

Jamie

Edited October 25, 2023 by jamie92208

[Compound2632]

2 hours ago, kevinlms said:

The biggest problem with building damage by water is mould. That needs proper treatment and quite possibly replacement of walls and wiring. 

Getting rid of the water is the easy part. 

 

1 hour ago, jamie92208 said:

If the building was designed with floods in mind  I would hope that there are no low level power points etc and that the walcladdi gs are wateproof  on the ground floor.  However dryi g out and dehumidifyinglis vital. 

 

The storm Babet flood has seen the Derwent at its highest recorded level in Derby. However, this is not the first time the Silk Mill has flooded. The possibility of flooding was very much a design consideration in the refitting as the Museum of Making.

[Compound2632]

"Significant damage to equipment in the kitchen and workshop and damage to all ground floor doors." The viroc panelling has survived well.

[lezz01]

When there are stories in the media about flooding I always think which bit of "FLOOD PLANE" do town planners not understand? The big problem with flood water is the fact that it contains raw sewage and that's why everything has to be replaced including the plaster on the walls of flooded properties.

Regards Lez.

[billbedford]

1 hour ago, lezz01 said:

I always think which bit of "FLOOD PLANE" do town planners not understand?

 

The flying bit?

[kevinlms]

1 hour ago, lezz01 said:

When there are stories in the media about flooding I always think which bit of "FLOOD PLANE" do town planners not understand? The big problem with flood water is the fact that it contains raw sewage and that's why everything has to be replaced including the plaster on the walls of flooded properties.

Regards Lez.

Says it all - wouldn't live there if you paid me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lismore,_New_South_Wales#Floods

[kevinlms]

7 minutes ago, kevinlms said:

Says it all - wouldn't live there if you paid me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lismore,_New_South_Wales#Floods

More specific information on who is getting government help and who isn't, including next door neighbours. What apparently ISN'T taken into account the last flood, which broke all previous records!

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-25/flood-buyback-scheme-delays-730/102998210

[Compound2632]

2 hours ago, lezz01 said:

When there are stories in the media about flooding I always think which bit of "FLOOD PLANE" do town planners not understand? The big problem with flood water is the fact that it contains raw sewage and that's why everything has to be replaced including the plaster on the walls of flooded properties.

 

Initial reports indicated no sewage contamination.

 

The other point to bear in mind before getting het up about building on the flood plain is that the Silk Mill is an historic building built where it is for a reason - water power - and its use as a museum is best use of it - it would, for example, be unsuitable as residential accommodation precisely because of the flood risk.

[lezz01]

Oh I don't get het up about it anymore Stephen I've got used to living in an ideocracy.

Regards Lez.

[Holmesfeldian]

I see Rapido have announced another new pre-grouping wagon…

 

https://rapidotrains.co.uk/lnwr-d88-covered-van/

 

What would be on people’s wish list for a RTR midland pattern (4mm) ?

[Compound2632]

1 hour ago, Holmesfeldian said:

I see Rapido have announced another new pre-grouping wagon…

 

https://rapidotrains.co.uk/lnwr-d88-covered-van/

 

What would be on people’s wish list for a RTR midland pattern (4mm) ?

 

The 12 ton mineral wagons, D607 and D673, along with the 10/12 ton merchandise wagon D663A, have been suggestions made to the manufacturers - these share a common underframe. They also fit the manufacturers' preference for wagons that survived into BR days, allowing for a good range of liveries. This does mean a preference for designs dating from the 20th century.

 

The 8/10 ton D362/D363 covered goods wagon would be a good choice too, I reckon.

 

These are all types that were getting on for being as numerous as the entire wagon fleets of some of the companies for which RTR wagons have been produced!

 

A great advantage of wagons such as the LNWR D88 and the types mentioned above is that as ordinary wagons they were pooled from the Great War onwards so are not restricted in area of operation, as some of the more specialised wagons were - e.g. Accurascale's NER hoppers which are only of interest if one is modelling the north east of England. So Rapido can promote them as being wagons every steam-era modeller should have! (Turning a blind eye to the first two-thirds of the steam era, of course.) 

[Aire Head]

To echo @Compound2632 The obvious options to me would be the D663A and D607/D673 opens. Vans wise either the D362/D363 or the D664 type vans would be strong candidates. Wildcard option would be a D336A which also last a long time and seem to crop up often enough in photos.

 

The best way to make things like this happen is to make sure voices are heard and that things are shown to be commercially viable. My understanding on the D1666s is they didn't do as well as expected and that their is a general wariness from other manufacturers towards "LMS" items as they tend to be the weakest selling. So in short if you want Midland stuff make sure we buy the other nice stuff!

[Compound2632]

13 hours ago, Aire Head said:

The best way to make things like this happen is to make sure voices are heard and that things are shown to be commercially viable. My understanding on the D1666s is they didn't do as well as expected and that their is a general wariness from other manufacturers towards "LMS" items as they tend to be the weakest selling. So in short if you want Midland stuff make sure we buy the other nice stuff!

 

Yes indeed and I don't think I've been guilty of negligence there! But, re. the D1666, what is also needed is education. I was appalled by the magazine review I saw after the D1666 was announced: "suitable for running with Rapido's recently-announced Jones Goods"!

 

If even the staff writers on model railway magazines have so little understanding of how the railway worked, it's an uphill struggle. (Though I am sure they have a very good understanding of how the RTR model business works.) I wonder if Rapido should have pushed harder in their publicity, touting this as the ultimate ubiquitous wagon?

[WFPettigrew]

13 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

I wonder if Rapido should have pushed harder in their publicity, touting this as the ultimate ubiquitous wagon?

 

As a journalist of over 30 years experience (though not in the model railway press), I did wonder reading

 

16 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

"suitable for running with Rapido's recently-announced Jones Goods"!

 

whether actually this was a line fed to the magazine by the Rapido PR machine.  After all, why sell one item when you might be able to sell two?

 

Having a look at the current spiel on the Rapido website, this certainly makes it clear that the D1666 was as very important wagon:

 

"A staggering total of 54,450 wagons were built to this design – designated Diagram 1666 by the LMS – up to 1930. There were more Dia. 1666s built than the total number of goods wagons on the Southern Railway!"

 

I don't know whether this was what Rapido put out in their initial announcement - certainly web pages can easily be updated though this one still talks about the wagons in the future tense:

 

Our models will feature independent brakes and correct wheels as appropriate.

 

But even if Rapido put out in their PR every word that is on the website, it does still sell the product rather short.  There is no mention of the ubiquity of open wagons due to pooling throughout the Grouping era nor of the fact that British Railways of course as a single operator perpetuated this "go anywhere" practice.  Stephen, your D299 line that "every pre-grouping layout should have one" should surely be mirrored here to explain that while they were built by the LMS, they were used from day one across all of England, Scotland and Wales, and that given their huge numbers, they should be seen from Mallaig to Margate as well as Wick to Weston - and in significant numbers on that GW BLT that for some reason only seems to have smaller "GW" logo wagons present... 

 

But yes it doesn't help when the magazines don't understand how the railways operated. 

[Compound2632]

4 minutes ago, WFPettigrew said:

and in significant numbers on that GW BLT that for some reason only seems to have smaller "GW" logo wagons present... 

 

I am looking forward to the day when I see at exhibition a GWR or SR BLT that has no ordinary GWR or SR wagons! I did at, I think, a Bracknell ExpoEM see a very nice SR BLT, 1930s setting, where every wagon was an SR wagon (excepting some nightmarish PO wagons and vans). I then saw another similar (but without the nightmares) but that turned out to be an Isle of Wight branch so fair dos!

[Jol Wilkinson]

"Our models will feature independent brakes and correct wheels as appropriate."

 

As in the correct tyre and flange profile, together with the correct distance apart across the axle? Just asking.

[WFPettigrew]

17 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

Isle of Wight

 

Could still justify a MR brake van though...!

[Compound2632]

24 minutes ago, WFPettigrew said:

 

Could still justify a MR brake van though...!

 

And one of the 1875 54 ft 12-wheeled clerestory composites, built to run with the Pullman Cars in the Scotch Expresses. One was sold to the IoW Central in 1907, where it was used as the passenger part of an auto train.