Steamport Southport Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 As if by magic the shopkeeper appeared.... http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/33695-industrial-loco-drawings/ It's funny how people keep looking for the same things as me. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Can I please ask what edition of RM this is in, so that I can try to track down a copy? According to my listing, the M Class with 3ft wheels is in Railway Modeller for April 1974 and another with 3ft 6in wheels in August 1974. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Izzy Posted January 19, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 19, 2017 Early MRJ's have featured several articles and drawings of various Manning Wardles by Don Townsley, e.g. Bamburgh of the NSLR, Morus, Ringing Rock etc. Also photos in the no 1 compendium. If you look up the MRJ index it will indicate the relative numbers and what is featured. They might be of use because most of the designs were similar with relative increases in wheelbase and wheel/boiler size. Here is a shot of a 7mm MW I built sometime in the 90's. This has the early square riveted boiler and unequal wheelbase. There were lots of variations between classes and individual locos. Slaters used to do MW wheels at one time I think (1/8" axles) but those on the loco are Wednesbury wheel castings, also on 1/8" axles. Most MW wheels are quite distinct with their double boss or cast weight opposite the crank. The coupling rods were made from the Alan Gibson 4mm etched universal type because they are quite small both in size and length. It is powered by a Mashima 1630 sitting vertically in the firebox, and driving a 80-1 gearbox driving the middle axle. I think even with the larger L class this would be the basic way to go, perhaps using a High Level gearbox these days. Izzy 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarryscapes Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 That's a beauty! Early MRJ's have featured several articles and drawings of various Manning Wardles by Don Townsley, e.g. Bamburgh of the NSLR, Morus, Ringing Rock etc. Also photos in the no 1 compendium. If you look up the MRJ index it will indicate the relative numbers and what is featured. They might be of use because most of the designs were similar with relative increases in wheelbase and wheel/boiler size. Here is a shot of a 7mm MW I built sometime in the 90's. This has the early square riveted boiler and unequal wheelbase. There were lots of variations between classes and individual locos. LMW1-(1)-low-res.jpg Slaters used to do MW wheels at one time I think (1/8" axles) but those on the loco are Wednesbury wheel castings, also on 1/8" axles. Most MW wheels are quite distinct with their double boss or cast weight opposite the crank. The coupling rods were made from the Alan Gibson 4mm etched universal type because they are quite small both in size and length. It is powered by a Mashima 1630 sitting vertically in the firebox, and driving a 80-1 gearbox driving the middle axle. I think even with the larger L class this would be the basic way to go, perhaps using a High Level gearbox these days. Izzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Does anyone know where I may obtain some drawings of a Manning Wardle L class with the later style cab like this? I'd like to have a go at scratchbuilding one in O scale. Not sure if this helps - I have just received a copy of the book "The Wissington Railway". It has the following dimensions for the "L-Type (altered)" Manning Wardle "1927 NFF". These are listed as: Inside Cylinders - 12" x 18" Wheels - 3ft 1/2" Wheelbase - 10ft 9 1/2" (5ft 5" + 5ft 4") Grate Area - 7 and a 1/4 sq ft Weight - 17t 7cwt and full 21t 6cwt Height - 10ft 9 1/4" Width - 7ft 6 and 1/8" Length (over buffers) - 22ft 4 1/2" It also has a excellent sketch of the M type (altered) "Newcastle" which is quite a bit different from the one posted earlier in this post. From looking at those dimensions and those of the M-type, the later is quite a bit longer in wheelbase and length. James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 My listing tells me there is a drawing of an L Class in Oakwood's book on the RAF Cranwell Railway (which may mean I have a copy somewhere safe) if that's of any help. That is great, I will try and acquire a copy. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 I'll have a look in the Fred Harman books tomorrow in my local library and see whats it got on the L class for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 I will be starting on a kit/RTR for a M/W class L with 3ft6 wheels in 7mm, after Telford. I'm working from drawings in MRJ for Bamburgh and Calwood. Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 theres no plans but some info and photos MW class L fred harman.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 theres no plans but some info and photos Thankyou - adds the 3rd dimension to the dimensions in the Wissington Book. Fascinating stuff - really does pay to research your prototype, quite a few variations even though 80% were "standard". Worth obtaining a copy? I will be starting on a kit/RTR for a M/W class L with 3ft6 wheels in 7mm, after Telford. I'm working from drawings in MRJ for Bamburgh and Calwood. Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted June 28, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 28, 2017 That is great, I will try and acquire a copy. J Its quite a poor copy of a general arrangement drawing, side only, so wouldnt spend too much on it. Dava Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdb82 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Early MRJ's have featured several articles and drawings of various Manning Wardles by Don Townsley, e.g. Bamburgh of the NSLR, Morus, Ringing Rock etc. Also photos in the no 1 compendium. If you look up the MRJ index it will indicate the relative numbers and what is featured. They might be of use because most of the designs were similar with relative increases in wheelbase and wheel/boiler size. Here is a shot of a 7mm MW I built sometime in the 90's. This has the early square riveted boiler and unequal wheelbase. There were lots of variations between classes and individual locos. LMW1-(1)-low-res.jpg Slaters used to do MW wheels at one time I think (1/8" axles) but those on the loco are Wednesbury wheel castings, also on 1/8" axles. Most MW wheels are quite distinct with their double boss or cast weight opposite the crank. The coupling rods were made from the Alan Gibson 4mm etched universal type because they are quite small both in size and length. It is powered by a Mashima 1630 sitting vertically in the firebox, and driving a 80-1 gearbox driving the middle axle. I think even with the larger L class this would be the basic way to go, perhaps using a High Level gearbox these days. Izzy Hi Izzy, I know this thread was written a little while ago, but I've just been reading through it with a view to one day scratch building an old Manning Wardle. Is this the H class, or an older class of loco? I was also wondering where you obtained your plans/drawings for it? Ideally I'm looking for something online as I live overseas, but haven't found anything yet! Thanks! John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Hi Izzy, I know this thread was written a little while ago, but I've just been reading through it with a view to one day scratch building an old Manning Wardle. Is this the H class, or an older class of loco? I was also wondering where you obtained your plans/drawings for it? Ideally I'm looking for something online as I live overseas, but haven't found anything yet! Thanks! John Hi John The L is a 0-6-0ST where as the H is a smaller 0-4-0ST. both classes were built over a long period of time so change in detail. Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdb82 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Hi John The L is a 0-6-0ST where as the H is a smaller 0-4-0ST. both classes were built over a long period of time so change in detail. Marc I see, schoolboy error! Any idea where I can get my hands on some drawings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 There are some Drawings for the North Sunderland L in a MRJ but I don't know of one for a H as I would like a set for myself. I use this website to check drawings. http://www.brmna.org/xrefs.shtml Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted March 17, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 17, 2018 This book has been recommended before.... North Sunderland Railway by Alan Wright, one of the best sourcebooks for light railway ideas... Dava 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdb82 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 This book has been recommended before.... North Sunderland Railway by Alan Wright, one of the best sourcebooks for light railway ideas... Dava Great! I'll see if I can get my hands on a copy. Thanks Dava! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Izzy Posted March 19, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 19, 2018 Hi Izzy, I know this thread was written a little while ago, but I've just been reading through it with a view to one day scratch building an old Manning Wardle. Is this the H class, or an older class of loco? I was also wondering where you obtained your plans/drawings for it? Ideally I'm looking for something online as I live overseas, but haven't found anything yet! Thanks! John It's an I class and was the forerunner of the later K/L classes. As such it has an early riveted tank and a smaller unequal wheelbase. I originally choose to make it in preference to the later K/L's just so it was a bit different. Now that Minerva are doing a K I am glad I did, especially as it took around 18 months to make. Mind you this was over 25 years ago As mentioned in my original post there was a lot about the MW's in articles by Don Townsley in various early MRJ's and the first compendium, drawings etc. IIRC that is where I obtained all the info necessary to build it. Izzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I have to say the Minerva loco is looking good. I might have to have one in a Cambrian Livery. Not sure what they are looking at for the sound chip but I might be useful for other similar Victorian locos. Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdb82 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 It's an I class and was the forerunner of the later K/L classes. As such it has an early riveted tank and a smaller unequal wheelbase. I originally choose to make it in preference to the later K/L's just so it was a bit different. Now that Minerva are doing a K I am glad I did, especially as it took around 18 months to make. Mind you this was over 25 years ago As mentioned in my original post there was a lot about the MW's in articles by Don Townsley in various early MRJ's and the first compendium, drawings etc. IIRC that is where I obtained all the info necessary to build it. Izzy Thanks Izzy, that's really helpful. It's a beautiful little model you built! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Hi Izzy, I know this thread was written a little while ago, but I've just been reading through it with a view to one day scratch building an old Manning Wardle. Is this the H class, or an older class of loco? I was also wondering where you obtained your plans/drawings for it? Ideally I'm looking for something online as I live overseas, but haven't found anything yet! Thanks! John If you are after a H Class, Ruston has just scratch build several in 4mm scale so might be able to point you in the direction of some drawings J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 Only a few years after requesting the drawings, photos, and obtaining a spare Hudswell Clarke chassis and cobbling together the basics of a body, Minerva announce an RTR K class. Oh well, I might do another project, or I might finish it, (with my several other unfinished projects!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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