TomHolley Posted April 12, 2015 Author Share Posted April 12, 2015 Hello, Brian and list. Yes, the power for 95/96 stayed at Union Springs until it was sent to Columbus, GA for servicing. Regards, Tom Holley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Tom, All this stuff is gold dust to Uk modellers and enthusiasts. Keep it coming, Many thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomHolley Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 Hello, list. Attached please find some notes from 1966 detailing how the Southern Railroad would assign Central of Georgia power. Regards, Tom Holley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomHolley Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 Hello, list. Here is a snapshot of where the Central of Georgia's power was on 2/2/1965 at 3:00 PM. Regards, Tom Holley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tove Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 The letter about power distribution makes for interesting reading. I`m surprised that loco`s were pooled together as units and not mixed. Especially as i was always under the impression that train`s were allocated power due to the tonnage ratings and MU capability?. Regards, Brian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomHolley Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 The letter about power distribution makes for interesting reading. I`m surprised that loco`s were pooled together as units and not mixed. Especially as i was always under the impression that train`s were allocated power due to the tonnage ratings and MU capability?. Regards, Brian. Hello, Brian and list. That was the Southern Railroad plan. The Central was always short of power, and I don't ever imagine it was 100% implemented. Power is assigned by tonnage ratings, and the main issue was not assigning the higher horsepower GP35s with the F3s or GP7/9/18s. There is a letter from Mr. Brosnan to Mr. Dillard expressing Brosnan's displeasure with power mixing. Since the Southern assigned 12 F units to the Central, there were more F units in use than it first appears to be. I will try to scan the letter from Mr. Brosnan to Mr. Dillard explaining the use of F units with higher horsepower units. I will also try to scan a letter from Mr. Gay, president of the Savannah and Atlanta asking for more power. Regards, Tom Holley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomHolley Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 Hello, list. Attached please find a letter from Mr. Brosnan to Mr. Dillard expressing his displeasure with power mixing on the Central of Georgia. Also attached please find a letter assigning 12 Southern F units to the Central of Georgia. Regards, Tom Holley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomHolley Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 Hello, list. Attached please find a letter from the Savannah and Atlanta to the Central of Georgia, requesting extra power. Regards, Tom Holley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomHolley Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 Hello, list. Attached please find a letter dealing with the use of run through Southern GP30s on the Central of Georgia. Regards, Tom Holley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomHolley Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 Hello, list. Here is a Central of Georgia power snapshot from 2/2/1964. Regards, Tom Holley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tove Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Thanks Tom, for posting the letters. They give a fascinating insight into the day to day running of a railroad. And i bet the Savannah & Atlanta guy`s wished they`d been left alone with their Baldwins,instead of having to go cap in hand for more power!. Regards, Brian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supaned Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Thanks for that insight into CofG - I have family who live in Newnan , so I've an interest in the C-line that passes through there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomHolley Posted May 14, 2015 Author Share Posted May 14, 2015 Hello, list. I hope you're all well. I was looking at Brian Tovey's wonderful Iowa Interstate layout, and I noticed his car cards and boxes. I asked Brian about his freight car forwarding system, and he kindly explained it to me. I uses a similar system, but with a few differences. Each car has a 3x5 inch car card that includes basic car info, and the destinations and contents. As each car movement is completed, I place a pencil check mark beside the move. I use a pencil so I can erase the check marks, and reuse the card. The car cards stay with the cars, and I use a spot/hold/pull box system at each town. The below image of CG 1556 shows a typical car card. Now, I'm clumsy. I can't switch holding a bunch of 3x5 cards, so I use a list. When I make up my train in staging, I book it from rear end to head end. The caboose is line one, and the car next to the engine is the bottom car. That's so we can add pickups behind the engine to the bottom of the list. That's not a factor on the layout, but it's what I was taught to do as a conductor. It takes a little extra time to book your train, but it sure makes it easier to switch with a straight check. As we say, it's hard to do ten dollar switching with a ten cent list...The Work Extra List below shows what a consist will look like on my layout. The third component of the car movement is the town list. It shows the cars in the town and how they stand. The agent usually makes this list, and between your train list and the yard check, you'll know what your work is. The list for Carrollton, GA in 1967 shows the way that list is prepared. Two notes: MTY is an empty car, and stand means leave the car in place. I hope I did a decent job explaining this, and yes, the forms are the appropriate Southern Railroad forms. Anything I need to clarify please let me know. As always, comments/suggestions/criticisms are appreciated. Regards, Tom Holley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tove Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Hi,Tom. Very informative and the insider knowledge comes through again!. Cheers, Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomHolley Posted February 25, 2017 Author Share Posted February 25, 2017 Andalusia, AL was at the end of a Central of Georgia branchline from Union Springs, AL, on the Columbus, GA to Montgomery, AL line. Here are some train consists from September, 1958. I hope someone finds them useful. The information was originally compiled by David Payne. Monday, September 1 (Labor Day) Engines 166 - 168 #95 left Union Springs @ 7:45am with 15 loads 21 mtys and arrived Andalusia @ 12:45pm with 2 loads 1 mty and handled 15 loads 22 mtys 1850 tons ... eng 168 was set out at Gantt ... #96 left Andalusia @ 1:45pm as a cab hop and arrived Union Springs @ 5:45pm with 15 loads 11 mtys 1450 tons and handled the same ... eng 168 was picked up at Gantt ... there is a notation of TS 3' 15" and off duty @ 6:15pm ... I'm not sure if the TS indicates Terminal Switching or Total Switching. If I get it sorted out, I'll let you know. Tuesday, September 2 Engines 166 - 168 #95 left Union Springs @ 7:35am with 14 loads 34 mtys, arrived Troy @ 8:50am with 13 & 34, departed Troy @ 9:15am with 12 and 21, at Brantley 11:35am-11:45am, arrived Andalusia @ 1:20pm with 9 & 4, and handled 23 loads 35 mtys 2535 tons with 4' 35" switching ... eng 168 was set out at Gantt ... #96 left Andalusia @ 2:25pm with 5 loads and reported "by" Brantley @ 3:35pm with 5 loads and arrived Union Springs @ 7:00pm with 42 loads and 11 mtys - 3670 tons - and marked off at 7:30pm. The T/S time shown was 3' 10". Wednesday, September 3, 1958 Engines 166 - 168 #95 left Union Springs @ 7:25am with 10 loads 5 mtys, arrived Troy @ 8:20am with same and departed @ 8:30am with 7 loads 0 mtys, arrived Brantley @ 9:45am and departed @ 9:50am, eng 168 was set out at Gantt, arrived Andalusia @t 11:30am with 2 loads 0 mtys and handled 10 loads 5 mtys 710 tons with 2' 40" switching. #96 left Andalusia @ 1:20pm with 1 load 7 mtys, picked up eng 168 at Gantt, was at Brantley between 2:35pm and 2:45pm, arrived Troy @ 3:50pm with 3 loads 8 mtys and departed @ 4:10pm with 14 loads 4 mtys, arrived Union Springs @ 5:05pm with 14 loads 5 mtys, showed off @ 5:30pm, handled 14 loads 12 mtys 1450 tons with 1' 55" TS. Thursday, September 4, 1958 Engines 166 - 168 #95 left Union Springs @ 6:55am with 4 loads 4 mtys, arrived Troy @ 8:10am with same, departed Troy @ 8:15am with 4 loads 2 mtys, was at Brantley from 9:30am to 10:05am, eng 168 left at Brantley, arrived Andalusia @ 11:30am with 11 loads 0 mtys, handled 15 loads 2 company material 6 mtys 1200 tons showing 2' 40" switching. #96 left Andalusia @ 12:05pm with cab, arrived Brantley @ 1:05pm with cab and departed @ 1:18pm no report, picked up engine 168, arrived Troy @ 2:30pm with 6 loads 1 mty and departed @ 2:45pm with 14 loads 1 mty, arrived Union Springs @ 3:35pm with 14 loads 3 mtys, off @ 4:00pm, handled 14 loads 3 mtys 1220 tons with 2' 40" TS. Note: Engine 166 was picked up by Train #40 Friday, September 5, 1958 Engine 168 #95 left Union Springs @ 7:20am with 12 loads 31 mtys, arrived Troy @ 8:35am with 12 loads 30 mtys, departed Troy @ 9:20am with 7 loads 13 mtys, at Brantley from 11:10am to 11:20am, arrived Andalusia @ 12:45pm with 3 loads 2 mtys, handled 12 loads 35 mtys 1680 tons with 4' switching. #96 left Andalusia @ 2:40pm with 5 loads 2 mtys, at Brantley from 4:10pm to 4:25pm, no report from Troy since agent-operator would be off duty at 5pm, arrived Union Springs @ 8:00pm with 23 loads 12 mtys, off at 8:30pm, handled 23 loads 13 mtys 2280 tons with 2' 50" TS. Saturday, September 6, 1958 --- on duty @ 5:00am Engine 168 #95 left Union Springs @ 7:15am with 16 loads 11 mtys, arrived Andalusia with cab @ 11:15, handled 16 loads 11 mtys 1600 tons, no switching shown. #96 left Union Springs @ 11:30am with cab, arrived Union Springs @ 3:00pm with 4 loads 4 mtys, off @ 3:15pm, handled 4 loads 8 mtys 490 tons with 3' 15" TS. I didn't check the timetable to see if the operator was on duty at Andalusia on Saturday or if the report was made from information provided by the conductor. I thought you would also like the information on Trains 71 and 40 from Sunday, September 7, 1958: #71 @ 3:15pm with engines 168 - 132 - 137 - 108 42 loads 21 mtys 3120 tons out Columbus 1:00pm #40 @ 11:10pm with engines 108 - 137 54 loads 31 mtys 4275 tons in Columbus 1:30am crew - Holley, Griffin Massey, Scoveir, Griffin Engines 168 - 132 were left at Union Springs by #40 10th - 95/96 126 cab X48 @ Andalusia 12:25pm w/ 5 & 2 // dep 2:35pm w/ 0 & 7 71 had 144 - 909 cab X73 40 left 144 and picked up 126 11th - 95/96 144 cab X48 @ Andalusia 12:10pm w/ 2 & 2 // dep 1:45pm w/ 1 & 15 71 had 164 - 113 cab X22 40 left 113 and picked up 144 12th - 95/96 113 cab X48 @ Andalusia 11:25am w/ 3 & 0 // dep 1:00pm w/ 3 & 5 71 had 126 - 901 - 909 cab X73 40 left 126 and picked up 113 13th - 95/96 126 cab X48 @ Andalusia 12:01pm w/ 1 & 1 // dep 1:05pm w/ 6 & 4 71 had 127 - 157 cab X22 40 left 127 and picked up 126 14th - 95/96 127 cab X48 @ Andalusia 1:30pm w/ 6 & 1 // dep 3:20pm w/ 1 & 3 71 had 166 - 119 - 113 cab X73 40 left 166 and picked up 127 15th - 95/96 166 cab X48 @ Andalusia 10:30am w/ 2 & 1 // dep 10:40am Lite 71 had 107 - 134 - 147 cab X22 40 picked up 166 Unfortunately, there are no notes that would indicate what traffic was being handled into and out of Andalusia. If you'll remind me when I have less to get done, I'll get the data for the entire month of June and we can see if there seems to be any pattern of flow. Can't help but wonder what those 15 mtys on the 11th were. A few notes of interest ... It appears that cab X48 was assigned to Gunter ... X22 to Massey ... X73 to McCain ... and, yes, these are all short cabs ... X75 was the "first" long cab ... On the 14th, 71 out of Columbus shows 166 - 119 - 113, but 71 out of Union Springs shows 116 - 119 - 113 as does 40 out of Montgomery. No engines were recorded out of Union Springs for 40 (maybe the dispatcher was confused), but 166 worked to Andalusia on the 15th and there is no evidence of 116 being in the area. The train sheet for this period had the Montgomery District (Union Springs-Montgomery), Roanoke District, Americus District, and Andalusia District (Columbus-Andalusia) along the bottom of the sheet below the Birmingham District and an area to the right for notes. On the 10th, "the Rocket" had 108 and cab X63. They were running as a Roanoke to Opelika turn (73&74 - iirc). On the 11th, it had 108 going to Opelika but 307 on the return trip and the rest of the week (I think). There must have been a contract to have the engine fueled at Roanoke; unlike the daily swap-out of locomotives at Union Springs. happened to have the June 1963 train sheets in Eastside and did a quick look ... on the 1st, 148 was used on a spray train between Columbus and Andalusia / 164 on 95/96 on the 2nd, 124 left for 95/96 on the 3rd, 124 on 95/96 on the 4th, 130 on 95/96 on the 5th, 178 on 95/96 on the 6th, 113 on 95/96 on the 7th, 116 on 95/96 on the 8th, 126 on 95/96 on the 9th, 126 left for 95/96 X48 was the cab on 95/96 and cabs X22 and X73 were on 71/40. Spray train on 6/1 had cab X43. No. 40 would leave a locomotive at Union Springs (except on Saturday) and would pick up a locomotive at Union Springs (except on Sunday). Actually, No. 71 would make the pick up on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tove Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 HI Tom, As it`s been nearly two years or so,does this mean that you`ve now retired and are making progress with the layout again?. Brian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomHolley Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 HI Tom, As it`s been nearly two years or so,does this mean that you`ve now retired and are making progress with the layout again?. Brian. Hello, Brian and list! No, not retired yet...just had some down time and wanted to post some more Central of Georgia/Southern info. I also slipped over and looked at your new layout; well done. O scale can be very tempting.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tove Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Thanks Tom, Even though i`m building the British O layout,I`ve still got quite a bit of US O gauge.Just can`t decide on wether to do 50`s/60`s or after 2010..... Brian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomHolley Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 Thanks Tom, Even though i`m building the British O layout,I`ve still got quite a bit of US O gauge.Just can`t decide on wether to do 50`s/60`s or after 2010..... Brian. The 50s and 60s were very colorful with a lot of variety... Regards, Tom Holley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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