toffee Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 As someone also interested in this idiosyncratic loco can I ask for more info on your 0 gauge sweet looking model ? A few more photos would be nice ! By the way the photo you label as not being sure of is also of the Corringham loco, it is in the soft back on the history of the Corringham of a few years ago. I bought the diagram for sale on ebay by the way. I was and still am thinking of a 3ft version of this loco in 15mm for a roadside tramway that maybe, one day, might get built ! John. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 anybody here that went to Guildex Telford last weekend would have seen my kitson on the loco shed of Lancaster Green Ayre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toffee Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 anybody here that went to Guildex Telford last weekend would have seen my kitson on the loco shed of Lancaster Green Ayre Sadly that was a fail, likewise the class15 model from little loco, and that was with 5 hours there on the Sunday. Really need to go both days as I was rushing around by the end :-( 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 an update on available info, at some point Mike Morant updated the info on his pic http://mikemorant.smugmug.com/keyword/overhead/i-ms9prVk/A and in conjunction with Leedsengine.info we now have pretty much everything on Polly. Kitson 2721/T111 of Sept 1884 "Churchtown" built for the West Lancashire Railway as their No 12. It was sold to the Liverpool overhead via Kitson in 1893, The L.O.R. sold it in 1948 and after a rebuild at Cudworth & Johnson in Wrexham it arrived at Monks Ferry coal wharf in June 1949. now all thats left unkown to us is the scrapping date 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 The L.O.R. sold it in 1948 and after a rebuild at Cudworth & Johnson in Wrexham it arrived at Monks Ferry coal wharf in June 1949 The recent Plateway Press book on Ruston and Hornsby locos has a picture of the 48DS they replaced it with, delivered in 1947. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted December 8, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 8, 2016 an update on available info, at some point Mike Morant updated the info on his pic http://mikemorant.smugmug.com/keyword/overhead/i-ms9prVk/A and in conjunction with Leedsengine.info Capture 3.JPG we now have pretty much everything on Polly. Kitson 2721/T111 of Sept 1884 "Churchtown" built for the West Lancashire Railway as their No 12. It was sold to the Liverpool overhead via Kitson in 1893, The L.O.R. sold it in 1948 and after a rebuild at Cudworth & Johnson in Wrexham it arrived at Monks Ferry coal wharf in June 1949. now all thats left unkown to us is the scrapping date Not quite - nobody seems to have any idea what colour it was painted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Colour photo of her at Birkenhead Monks Ferry. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 ive got a B&W of that but didnt know there was a colour, thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted December 8, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 8, 2016 If you can divine the original colour from that you've got better eyesight/esp than I have! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted December 8, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 8, 2016 Sorry to hear that you missed seeing Sam's scratchbuilt locos on Green Ayre at Telford 'toffee'. However I've been sent some lovely photos of the layout that one of the crew took over the weekend and fortunately one of them shows the lively little loco in question. Photo reproduced with permission and copyright to Chris Byrom. Jamie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Kirkham Posted December 9, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 9, 2016 Sorry to hear that you missed seeing Sam's scratchbuilt locos on Green Ayre at Telford 'toffee'. However I've been sent some lovely photos of the layout that one of the crew took over the weekend and fortunately one of them shows the lively little loco in question. tank engine.jpg Photo reproduced with permission and copyright to Chris Byrom. Jamie Seeing the model from that angle put me in mind of one of Polly's continental relations: Von Roll foundry, Delémont, September 1992 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr Still at work in 1992 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 If you can divine the original colour from that you've got better eyesight/esp than I have! the colour is purely my own liking, i have no idea what the actual colour was 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Mermaid was an elderly manning wardle 0-4-0st at monks ferry coaling wharf where lively polly ended her days (at some point there named mayflower) there is a picture of the manning wardle towards the end of 'industrial locomotives of cheshire,shropshire and herefordshire' showing very large wooden block buffers. She was works number 226 of 1868 ive got this pic below noted as MW 226 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Mermaid at Monks Ferry Birkenhead 16/3/1948. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
844fan Posted December 10, 2016 Author Share Posted December 10, 2016 Ok first of all Hokey Smokes! I had no idea that you guys were still posting on my thread here. That'll show me for not being here in ages. I am amazed by all the new info. I also love that someone has modeled Polly's class. As someone also interested in this idiosyncratic loco can I ask for more info on your 0 gauge sweet looking model ? A few more photos would be nice ! By the way the photo you label as not being sure of is also of the Corringham loco, it is in the soft back on the history of the Corringham of a few years ago.I bought the diagram for sale on ebay by the way. I was and still am thinking of a 3ft version of this loco in 15mm for a roadside tramway that maybe, one day, might get built !John. Indeed I too am interested very much in that model's specs. Would you by chance be willing to let me know more on it? I want to Model Polly in Trainz Sim and this could be a big help for me. Also mind if I barrow the Livery for my Polly model? I think it suits her for a livery for a recreation of her. Colour photo of her at Birkenhead Monks Ferry.IMG_2021.PNG Oh wow thats lovely I doubt she always wore that color but it's nice to see her in color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 (edited) just been looking at monks ferry on Britain from above, most of them are a bit blurry close up but one of them is clear enough that i think its Mermaid on the other photos in this flight as the plane flies around taking photos, the wagons move around and a vague grey blob gushing steam can be seen in different positions on the wharf, BUT you can only see this if you are logged in, only then can you use the zoom function http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/eaw000415 this one is clear enough that you can see that the wagons are 3 buckets on flat beds just like what the midland used at Heysham port http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/eaw008658 MR heysham coal wagon https://pregroupingrailwaysdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/frwc09.jpg?w=900 Top left looks like a disused wagon turntable and theres some large dumbuffers showing out of the engine shed just like mermaid's http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/eaw008719 Edited December 11, 2016 by sir douglas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingsignalman Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Wizard Models / 51L make a white metal kit for the transporter wagon. They describe it as "Ince Wagon Works three box coal wagon." Here is my attempt (after a very long time since I made a white metal wagon) of the kit. It is stood in front of a photo of the prototype. (allegedly the varnish was Matt....) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
844fan Posted December 17, 2016 Author Share Posted December 17, 2016 (allegedly the varnish was Matt....) Nothing a little weathering couldn't fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I wonder if that's where Tri-ang got the name for one of their 0-4-0Ts; remember Nellie, Connie and Polly? They were pretty lively if I recall; with speeds ranging from fast to very fast along the track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
£1.38 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I suspect the design was very much derived from Kitson steam tram designs. The "side tanks" actually covered the valve gear etc, as in this diagram Obviously, this tram loco had controls at both ends, so is slightly different, but it may explain the covers and the odd angle of the cylinders in the LOR loco.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 i'd guessed that they were based on trams years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
844fan Posted December 18, 2016 Author Share Posted December 18, 2016 (edited) I wonder if that's where Tri-ang got the name for one of their 0-4-0Ts; remember Nellie, Connie and Polly? Can't tell you that my self being a Yankee and growing up with Lionel trains. But it be somethin if that was where they got the Polly name. Edited December 18, 2016 by 844fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) ive got this pic below noted as MW 226Yes that seems to be 'mermaid ' as shown in the book, note that they actually had two manning wardle saddle tanks called 'mermaid' they kept the first of the two and sold the other w/no 1380 of 1898 in 1929 to ayr collieries ltd The older of the two (226) was, by 1948 fitted with very large wooden block buffers (resembling two sleepers at each end) I shall try to reproduce the photograph if I can Edited January 7, 2017 by Killian keane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 an update on available info, at some point Mike Morant updated the info on his pic http://mikemorant.smugmug.com/keyword/overhead/i-ms9prVk/A and in conjunction with Leedsengine.info Capture 3.JPG we now have pretty much everything on Polly. Kitson 2721/T111 of Sept 1884 "Churchtown" built for the West Lancashire Railway as their No 12. It was sold to the Liverpool overhead via Kitson in 1893, The L.O.R. sold it in 1948 and after a rebuild at Cudworth & Johnson in Wrexham it arrived at Monks Ferry coal wharf in June 1949. now all thats left unkown to us is the scrapping date She was scrapped in August 1961, RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
844fan Posted January 29, 2017 Author Share Posted January 29, 2017 She was scrapped in August 1961, RIP Such a pitty to lose any engine but one as unique as this is a crime. Rest in peace old girl you did your job and will be remembered. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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