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I know nothing of the BIWO A Class but I have a C on my workbench. I’ve built a LRM Coal Engine and 3 Coal Tank chassis. Post if you need any pointers.

Do you intend to have a thread for these builds?

Sorry that I've come late to this part of the discussion. The challenge I have with these tenders is that they have an overall floor. This means that once built there is no access to the space within. If you are building this for for the Precedent then I think that might have some workings in the tender. Eitherway, if you want to put a DCC decoder or even sound in the tender you need a solution. My method I have is to mount the decoder etc. on the chassis and cut a hole in the floor big enough to get the thing in when you screw the chassis on. This is a darn sight easier to do before it's built! And a lot harder once the axleboxes are on as per the pic above. How do I know? I have acquired a Coal Tank sound decoder that is destined for my Coal Engine on the basis they sounded the same and am in the process of doing this. On the subject of books, not sure if this ones been mentioned earlier but Bill Finch's "Building a London & North Western Railway Jumbo" has a huge amount of the small detail and not just for the Precedent (AKA Large Jumbo). This was published by the Society and not sure if it's still available or in print though.

Is it my eyes but is there a spacer that is in the way and prevents the beams from doing their job?

Not at all. Much obliged Guv...

I've been away from this thread for a while but it seems have gone quite LNWR?

For further info, the 5.25pm Ex Shrewsbury to Bristol in 1912 (4.30pm ex Crewe) had the following destinations: LNWR Van 3rd (X) Liverpool to Bristol GW Brake Compo Liverpool to Bristol GW Brake Compo Manchester to Bristol LNWR Brake Compo Manchester to Bristol LNWR Brake Van Manchester to Bristol GW Brake Compo (X) Leeds to Bristol GW Brake Compo Leeds to Cardiff 3 of the GW Brake Compos went forward to Plymouth on the 5.06am. The LNWR Brake Van went forward to Exeter on the 6.55am and the LNWR Brake Compo went on to Taunton on the 6.45pm returning on the 7.07am How they managed to organise this was quite a feat. To organise this in 4mm is quite a feat too due to the lack of GW Brake Compo kits.

Thanks. The other 4-4-0’s I am building are Finney kits, for the City and Duke, and I am using a LRM chassis for the Precursor. They all employ the compensation as illustrated above as does the County I have already built. The Finney City has the inside motion too. The other City uses the Dapol chassis and is not supplied with beams and I can’t be bothered to work out and make the beams. Also, on the S4Soc forum, there has been much discussion on pulling power of 4-4-0’s and it will be interesting to compare the 2 cities in this respect. Many claim the Lycett-Smith method pulls best! It has a lot to do with weight distribution. The other issue is that you can use the tender weight to bare down on the rear if using a fixed rear axle. Otherwise the nose lifts off with a moving axle b

No Mikkel it’s standard DCC Concepts rolling road set to 18.83 gauge track. It also fits on the cassettes which are gauged the same. Comes with spacers for all 4mm gauges. I think I bought extra rollers so that I can test tender locos where the pickups and DCC decoders are in the tender.

In 1912 the formation of the 5.25pm ex Shrewsbury Express was: LNWR Brake Third (X), GW Brake Composite, GW Brake Composite, LNWR Brake Compo, LNWR Brake Van, GW Brake Composite, GW Brake Composite (X), GW Brake Composite,

For those interested in mixed formations, here's another image of a 4-6-0 possible taken at the same location. The image came from an acquaintance with the caption ".2941 Easton Court with the 5.25 p.m. Shrewsbury to Bristol Express on 18th July 1914"

See later edit where I corrected myself....

Jol, I do have a LRM LNWR Renown, although apart from Renown itself they are a bit late for my period, but it has not got to the top of the list yet! I also have a GWR Bulldog/Bird in the roundtoit pile Miss P, Depending on the date, the 4-6-0's were later allowed on the Shrewsbury to Hereford possibly just prior to WW1. I believe that particular picture might possibly have been taken at Kemps Eye Crossing around July 1914

I am building my 4-4-0’s with a variety of techniques including one with the Lycett -Smith/Sharman method as described in MRJ (126). I do have a 3521 to build but that is in the 4-4-0 conversion mode not the original 0-4-4T so thankfully no 0-4-4’s. A blog will follow but here's a video of one of the City Chassis which is the same as that used by Lycett-Smith. The rocking and rolling is due to the Alan Gibson drivers!.

Fortunately the GWR 4-6-0’s were banned from the North to West route. I don’t even know if the LNWR Experiments were allowed but one was involved in the Shrewsbury disaster so that’s my evidence. So I have no plans for anymore 4-6-0’s (unless it’s a 19” Goods). But I have a number of other things on my build list. Occupying me at the moment are the following 4-4-0’s: LNWR Precursor, GWR City Gibraltar, GWR City Hobart, GWR Duke Severn.

There has been some activity in the loco works since the last post. So by way of an update, here is one of the tender engines I've been working on. It is the only 4-6-0 I am minded to build:

8'3" x 8'6" was a standard GWR set. I've got tons of spares. Available from the usual suspects as above also Comet via 51L/Wizard models. I also think Lanarkshire Models do a Universal set

Further issues regarding the Falcon Bulldog I’m afraid. Having made various starts, I’ve now noticed that the bogie frames on the chassis etch are short on the wheelbase. Luckily I have an alternative.

Yes: it's a Precursor Class evolved from the Improved Precedent.

Allocations Ledgers are in the records at Kew. I do not know if 1902 exists but I have a copy of 1912 which shows every loco in number order by month.

There is a Coal Tank sound decoder from YouChoos (I have one). No doubt someone will be along soon to tell us they sounded entirely different.

A back to back gauge for EM would help as would a wheel press and quartering tool.

Tempting though it is, most of the A Class had been converted to simples by the time of my layout- 1912. in the meantime, Narrow Planet are on with the plates for my C Class and I have an Experiment and Precusor on the go on the workbench.

I don’t think there is a readily available kit in 4mm John.

highly unlikely as the cleaners had to stand on the running plate to do the cleaning and probably couldn’t reach the roof from there