sub39h Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Hi guys, Does anyone have a list of locomotives which had their buffer beam cowling removed please? If you have an idea of roughly when it was removed as well this would be helpful. Thank you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest B Exam Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 47033/049/051/052/053/085/095/102*/114/125/144/145/146/150*/157*/186/187/188/190*/194/197/200/201/204-207/209/210/211/213/217-219/222/225/226/228/229/231/234/236/237/241/245/270/279/280/281/284-287/289/290/291*/292/293/297-299. 47301-307/309/310/312-314/316/321*/323/324/326/328/330/335/337/338/344/345/347/348/351/354/355/360-363/365/367/370/375/376 47452/458*/473*/522*/530* All RES 47/7s apart from 47785/799. *one end only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 Great thank you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisH-UK Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 47375 originally only had one end removed until at least 1992. As for the timing, my limited personal research suggests that locos with one end cut were done by early 1990 and after this doing both at the same time became the norm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted December 2, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 2, 2015 Interesting, but why were the cowls removed from some locos? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted December 2, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 2, 2015 It was part of a cab refurbishment plan by BR - the way cowl built I guess it trapped water, hid corrosion and or helped draughts in the cab.It was a case of function over form. The class 56 loco started with them but cowl dropped at 56056. Certainly makes modelling easier without. I guess one end only as time ran out in works at the vital moment - a bit light flush fitting of the headcode replacements. Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Have I missed something? Didn't all of the long range 47/4 - 47/8 conversions have this treatment as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisH-UK Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Have I missed something? Didn't all of the long range 47/4 - 47/8 conversions have this treatment as well? Not all, and only a few at the time they were renumbered from 47/4, 47834 was renumbered in 89 but retained cowling until 1991, 47835 kept the cowling even after it became a RES loco. Maybe B Exam's list just doesn't have them, I certainly don't have a comprehensive list of which did and did not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest B Exam Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 It was part of a cab refurbishment plan by BR - the way cowl built I guess it trapped water, hid corrosion and or helped draughts in the cab.It was a case of function over form. The class 56 loco started with them but cowl dropped at 56056. Certainly makes modelling easier without. I guess one end only as time ran out in works at the vital moment - a bit light flush fitting of the headcode replacements. Robert Locos done at one end were locos that had suffered collision damage. Hence the flush front with no headcode box. As for 47/8s, 47801-803/835 and 47837 never had the bufferbeam cowling cut away before being withdrawn or in 47801s case converted to a 47/7. Of the original 47/7s 47711 was cut away at both ends after various collisions. No1 end retained its headcode box even though it had a replacement cab donated by 47645. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slilley Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Interesting, but why were the cowls removed from some locos? Full info on the cab refurbishment work is in Class 47 50 Years of Locomotive History. Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCB Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I always had the impression that the cowls rusted out and were cut away because they didn't actually do anything, I always thought they looked better without them. My over riding impression of the 47s was that there were no two alike by the late 1980s, headcode boxes or not Aerial bracing brackets, cowls, tanks, liveries, Red Stripe, ScotRai Blue stripe (47/7) Grey, Blue Large Logo Blue. However like almost all diesels in 00 the axle boxes need to move over uneven track, It is like having the valve gear frozen on a steam loco when it is all a plastic or cast lump. Also the radiator shutters need to move. It was so noticeable that on 47s leaving Cheltenham Spa for the north after the demise of the Peaks that the radiator shutters closed when they stopped and opened again as the diesel engine accelerated even before the loco started to move, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I always had the impression that the cowls rusted out and were cut away because they didn't actually do anything, I always thought they looked better without them. My over riding impression of the 47s was that there were no two alike by the late 1980s, headcode boxes or not Aerial bracing brackets, cowls, tanks, liveries, Red Stripe, ScotRai Blue stripe (47/7) Grey, Blue Large Logo Blue. However like almost all diesels in 00 the axle boxes need to move over uneven track, It is like having the valve gear frozen on a steam loco when it is all a plastic or cast lump. Also the radiator shutters need to move. It was so noticeable that on 47s leaving Cheltenham Spa for the north after the demise of the Peaks that the radiator shutters closed when they stopped and opened again as the diesel engine accelerated even before the loco started to move, The cowlings on many of the fleet were in poor condition, as part of the cab refurbishment the cowl was removed to gain access to the bottom of the cab where it sat on the frame. Most locos were like sitting in a wind tunnel at speed, this was due to the area at the bottom of the cab having very poor seals. New plate work was welded in place to seal this area, it was deemed not worth replacing the cowls. On the ETH fitted locos other mod were carried out which included rerouting the ETH cables and re-siting the ETH receptacles and J/Bs. The rad shutters are only opened on temperature nothing to do with engine revs. Al Taylor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 All very interesting, thanks chaps! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted December 25, 2018 Author Share Posted December 25, 2018 (edited) 47033/049/051/052/053/085/095/102*/114/125/144/145/146/150*/157*/186/187/188/190*/194/197/200/201/204-207/209/210/211/213/217-219/222/225/226/228/229/231/234/236/237/241/245/270/279/280/281/284-287/289/290/291*/292/293/297-299. 47301-307/309/310/312-314/316/321*/323/324/326/328/330/335/337/338/344/345/347/348/351/354/355/360-363/365/367/370/375/376 47452/458*/473*/522*/530* All RES 47/7s apart from 47785/799. *one end only. Merry Christmas everyone! Just a quick bump on my old thread rather than opening another one. Which ones of these had had their buffers modified by 1991 please? And if you could narrow that down to which ones were in trainload (any sector) or RES that would be great. Edited December 25, 2018 by sub39h Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Merry Christmas everyone! Just a quick bump on my old thread rather than opening another one. Which ones of these had had their buffers modified by 1991 please? And if you could narrow that down to which ones were in trainload (any sector) or RES that would be great.Rail Express Systems was only launched in 1991 so very few 47s would be in the blue flash livery that year. I’d suggest reviewing photos is your best way of getting accuracy for a specific year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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