Would shunters have steam heating pipes.

[crazynitwit]

As the title says would they as I have a spare one and really want to fit it to my sentinel. I've already fitted a vacuum. Brake as I know they were fitted with them at some point in their lives.

[Coppercap]

What would be the point? They'd need to have a steam heating boiler and a water tank for a start, and most shunters wouldn't have room for them anyway...

[crazynitwit]

What would be the point? They'd need to have a steam heating boiler and a water tank for a start, and most shunters wouldn't have room for them anyway...

Thanks I only asked as I've seen what looked like steam heating pipes. But they could have been electrical pipes.

[PenrithBeacon]

A steam Sentinel almost certainly not, a diesel Sentinel absolutely not, but a Jinty might as they were quite often used for passenger trains too.

[Phil Bullock]

Never seen an industrial with a steam heat pipe ! But never say never

 

And dont forget that locos had a steam heat pipe for two reasons...

 

The obvious one because they had a steam heat boiler themselves - the other was just a through pipe, common on main line locos without a boiler but fitted in case they were required to double head and be coupled inside - between pilot loco and train - to allow heat to flow

 

Kind regards

 

Phil

[Boris]

Further to earlier answers I think it may also depend upon the context.  Like they say locos that worked passenger as well as pilot duties would have steam pipes on them.  Some steam pilots had cwa pipes for pre-heating passenger trains in sidings and stations prior to the train engine taking over, the other advantage to having cwa pipes is that during snow a lance attachment can be used to clear points, rodding, pulleys etc. during bad weather, another useful job for a station pilot.

[92912]

There is a photograph of a Port of London Authority Hudswell Clarke (1598/1927) in "Industrial Locomotives & Railways of London & The Northern Home Counties" by Gordon Edgar on page 85, which has what looks very much like a steam heat pipe (but no brake pipe) on the bufferbeam. My guess would be that it would be for steam heating Banana vans.

[Phil Bullock]

There is a photograph of a Port of London Authority Hudswell Clarke (1598/1927) in "Industrial Locomotives & Railways of London & The Northern Home Counties" by Gordon Edgar on page 85, which has what looks very much like a steam heat pipe (but no brake pipe) on the bufferbeam. My guess would be that it would be for steam heating Banana vans.

 

Now that would certainly be legit! Positioned to L or R of coupling as you look head on? that would be give away

 

Easy with steam of course - but what happened when banana ports - Barry, Avonmouth in particular - were dieselised?

 

Phil

 

 

[Fenman]

... the other advantage to having cwa pipes is that during snow a lance attachment can be used to clear points, rodding, pulleys etc. during bad weather, another useful job for a station pilot.

 

Topically, given the weather, there's a wonderful sequence in the glorious British Transport Film Snow in which a steam lance attached to a freight loco is used to help de-ice a stuck loco and wagons.

 

Paul 

[Phil Bullock]

Ah just answered my own question - no steam heat on banana trains from 1963!

 

https://ribblesteam.wordpress.com/2015/03/06/bananas-by-rail/

 

Phil

[Baby Deltic]

I believe that classes 15 and 16 were through piped for steam. Whether a train heating unit was ever coupled to one of these on station pilot duties is anyone's guess. I think it was more to do with the usual requirement for non-boiler fitted loco's coupled inside to carry heat from a leading boiler fitted loco when double heading as mentioned in a post above.

[Phil Bullock]

Scottish class 17s too

 

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=JsCy%2fDuE&id=6797AF152DEA30EF0270530429B8D8297478F926&thid=OIP.JsCy_DuEK9-zMu6ifK8F2gEsDh&q=clayton+class+17&simid=608032491907253317&selectedIndex=168&ajaxhist=0

 

And some 20s IIRC

 

Phil

[Coppercap]

Just thought, I was assuming the OP meant Diesel Sentinel. But I doubt a steam Sentinel would have a lot of spare capacity for steam heating anyway, even if fitted with steam pipes. Mention of electical 'pipes' does suggest diesel though.

Edited December 10, 2017 by Coppercap

[Michael Edge]

Never seen an industrial with a steam heat pipe ! But never say never

 

And dont forget that locos had a steam heat pipe for two reasons...

 

The obvious one because they had a steam heat boiler themselves - the other was just a through pipe, common on main line locos without a boiler but fitted in case they were required to double head and be coupled inside - between pilot loco and train - to allow heat to flow

 

Kind regards

 

Phil

 

Several Mersey Docks locos had steam heating fitted for banana trains.

[crazynitwit]

Just thought, I was assuming the OP meant Diesel Sentinel. But I doubt a steam Sentinel would have a lot of spare capacity for steam heating anyway, even if fitted with steam pipes. Mention of electical 'pipes' does suggest diesel though.

Yes I was talking about the diesel sentinel.