RMweb Gold beejack Posted August 26, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 26, 2018 (edited) After recently purchasing and fitting a separate class 31 TTS Decoder, I connected up to JMRI decoder Pro to add it to my locomotive profiles. When decoder pro read the chip it could tell me it was a TTS Decoder but couldn't identify it any further, I also noticed the decoder profile hadn't been updated since before the current crop of TTS locos and separately available chips have been made available and as such the Class 31 was not showing as an option to select. As such I am looking to update the decoder profile so that it will successfully detect and identify the correct sound files using CV 7, CV 8 and CV 159. JMRI has already been updated to allow this to work and I have successfully got the following to be identified by loco type: LOCO/CHIP CV 7 CV 8 CV 159 Class 20 123 048 159 Successfully tested Class 31 128 048 161 Successfully tested Class 37 (factory fitted) 120 048 147 Successfully tested Class 37 (stand alone chip) 132 048 147 Successfully tested Class 40 (D232) 120 048 151 Successfully tested Class 47 (47401) 120 048 149 Successfully tested Class 47 (stand alone chip) 132 048 149 Successfully tested Class 60 132 048 163 Successfully tested All of these are now identified correctly and decoder pro now selects the correct Loco in the profile note: CV 158 has been added as at least two locos have the same value in CV 159 and a composite product id has been used. The following have been added but still need testing: Class 08 Class 43 HST (MTU and Valenta) Gresley Class P2 (Cock O’ the North) Class 5MT Black 5 4-6-0 NEW Hall Class 4-6-0 New 24/9/18 King Class 4-6-0 New 1/10/18 Merchant Navy 4-6-2 New 1/10/18 Peppercorn Class A1 'Tornado' New 10/10/18 Princess Coronation Class New 16/10/18 Castle Class New 16/10/18 S15 Class New 16/10/18 Lord Nelson Class New 16/10/18 Hornby Vent Van 8/12/18 J36 Class 0-6-0 31/3/19 Class 66 20/05/19 Class 50 24/5/19 The following locos have already been added by others, but I can't confirm they are correct and working. LOCO/CHIP CV 7 CV 8 CV 158 CV159 Composite value Class 67 120 048 153 Duke of Gloucester 048 131 Flying Scotsman 048 137 Fowler 2P 048 10 143 2703 9F 2-10-0 048 2 143 655 4F 0-6-0 048 145 A4 Mallard & Gadwall 048 135 P2 Class R3246TTS 1 048 0 133 Please note The original diesel locos all had CV 7 set at 120 but with the new breed of stand alone chips these now seem to change and for Decoder Pro to perform properly the CV 7 value range needs to include all available chips I have attempted to download as many of the TTS sound manuals as possible but Hornby seem to have removed most from their website at present so have not been very successful. If any one can help with any of the TTS Locomotives or the separately available chips I would be grateful. To be able to add any others such as the class 08, HST or Tornado I would require the following info: Locomotive type Chip Type i.e. TTS factory fitted loco or stand alone chip. CV 7 value CV 8 Value CV 158 Value. CV 159 Value A list of the sounds on each function (especially TTS Locomotives) would be appreciated as I am finding it difficult to source the information to update the sound tab in decoder pro. If anyone has a TTS fitted Loco or have bought and fitted one of the separate chips and could read the chip and provide the above info I would be grateful. The ultimate aim is to post the decoder profile on the JMRI user group for testing and hopefully get it added to the next version of JMRI. I will update this OP with any info received and notify when the decoder profile is posted on the JMRI user group so anyone with JMRI can test it with their TTS locos and hopefully post here if decoder pro successfully detects it correctly. Latest TTS Loco Decoder file Rmweb no longer seems to support XML files please down load the latest file here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ACbKTM44wgMhGH3XlJxgeufChkIky1x5/view?usp=sharing Any issues please send me a PM Latest TTS Vent Van Decoder File HornbyTTS_NonLoco.xml added 08/12/18 Thanks to the following for info and testing cravensdmufan SRman Peter Beckett Traction RAFHAAA96 Hornby Hobbies Brian Edited to clarify chip type. 27/8/18 edited to add CV 158 edited 24/9/18 to replace file with updated file including Hall Class edited 1/10/18 to replace with updated file including Merchant Navy and King Class Edited April 26, 2020 by beejack link to updated file including class 66 added 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beejack Posted August 26, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 26, 2018 I have now uploaded the first update to the JMRI Hornby TTS sound decoder profile. Updates include: Separating the class 37 and class 40 Adding the new CV values for the Stand alone chip for the class 37. Adding the Class 20 Amending the class 66 to class 67 Amending the sound function entries to reflect the differences between the different Diesel locos. I have tested the class 31, class 37 both stand alone and factory fitted version, class 40 and class 47 all work using JMRI version 4.13.2 and and on an older version 4.9.8 If any one want to test the decoder profile it can be downloaded from the JMRI group if you are a member or send me a PM and I can send you a link to the file. To upload the profile into JMRI carry out the following. Start decoder Pro. under file select import decoder file. select the TTS decoder xlm file and click open. wait until the import completed box appears and click OK close Decoder pro and restart. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravensdmufan Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 (edited) Hi Brian, This is an interesting and useful thread. I have a Hornby Class 60 TTS sound chip, R8104 (which is excellent) fitted into a loco. I also have JMRI. I have read back CVs on my NCE Powercab and the information you require for this chip is: Locomotive type CLASS 60 Chip Type i.e. TTS factory fitted loco or stand alone chip. STAND ALONE CV 7 value 132 CV 8 Value 048 CV 159 Value 163. Thanks for uploading data to JMRI - it will be very useful. i like the TTS decoders - I have fitted 16 so far into classes 20, 31, 37, 47 and 60. Particulary impressed with 20 31 and 60. CDF Edited August 26, 2018 by cravensdmufan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravensdmufan Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 These are the values for the Class 47 stand alone decoder R8103: Locomotive type CLASS 47 Chip Type i.e. TTS factory fitted loco or stand alone chip. STAND ALONE CV 7 value 132 CV 8 Value 048 CV 159 Value. 149 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beejack Posted August 26, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 26, 2018 Hi Brian, This is an interesting and useful thread. I have a Hornby Class 60 TTS sound chip, R8104 (which is excellent) fitted into a loco. I also have JMRI. I have read back CVs on my NCE Powercab and the information you require for this chip is: Locomotive type CLASS 60 Chip Type i.e. TTS factory fitted loco or stand alone chip. STAND ALONE CV 7 value 132 CV 8 Value 048 CV 159 Value 163. Thanks for uploading data to JMRI - it will be very useful. i like the TTS decoders - I have fitted 16 so far into classes 20, 31, 37, 47 and 60. Particulary impressed with 20 31 and 60. CDF CDF Thanks for the info. I have updated the OP and I have added the class 60 to the decoder file. The file has also been updated on the JMRI user Group. Give it a try on JMRI if you can. I have also uploaded it to a file server and can provide the link if you want it. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravensdmufan Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Thanks Brian, I will test the 60 along with the 20 tomorrow and report back on this thread. CDF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I'll try to give you the Merchant Navy details in the near future. I actually took it out of the MN and fitted it into a Standard class 4, because I didn't find it at all convincing in the Bulleid loco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAF96 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 In the original thread (can’t find it again now) about TTS coding in JMRI, CV158 was cited as an additional delineator between some locos as the LSB with CV159 as the MSB. Should folk be looking at this CV also. I will read those TTS I have today and report back any meaningful results. Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I read both of my TTS decoders, one in a ViTrains class 37, removed from a factory-fitted Hornby 37, the other a Merchant Navy in a Standard 4MT.Class 37 CV7=120, CV8=048, CV159=147 Std 4MT (MN) CV7=050, CV8=025 (I can't explain this - repeated checks came up the same), CV159=050.These were read on the programming track with an NCE Power Cab. That reading for CV8 on the MN decoder is just weird! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beejack Posted August 27, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) In the original thread (can’t find it again now) about TTS coding in JMRI, CV158 was cited as an additional delineator between some locos as the LSB with CV159 as the MSB. Should folk be looking at this CV also. I will read those TTS I have today and report back any meaningful results. Rob Hello Rob Yes you are correct CV 158 has been used to differentiate between the Fowler 2P and the 9F and have high numbers for the identification of the loco of 2703 and 655. Unfortunately there is no mention in the decoder file as to how these numbers were obtained. All the others so far appear to only use the three CV's originally requested. I have amended the OP to include CV 158 as a valve required Brian Edited August 27, 2018 by beejack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beejack Posted August 27, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 27, 2018 I read both of my TTS decoders, one in a ViTrains class 37, removed from a factory-fitted Hornby 37, the other a Merchant Navy in a Standard 4MT. Class 37 CV7=120, CV8=048, CV159=147 Std 4MT (MN) CV7=050, CV8=025 (I can't explain this - repeated checks came up the same), CV159=050. These were read on the programming track with an NCE Power Cab. That reading for CV8 on the MN decoder is just weird! Hi SRman I'm also using the Power Cab and had similar issues at first. Both the class 31 and the class 37 reported CV 8 as 008. Giving the track a clean helped but I think the power cab throws a wobbly every so often. Do you have the sound manual for the Merchant as this will give you the values for CV's 7,8 and 159? I'll hold off adding the Merchant for now but will add it to the OP Interesting with regards the class 37 as my factory fitted class 37 came from the first batch of network rail 37's and CV 159 was 157. Was your '37' from a later batch? Brian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady_Ava_Hay Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 This is an interesting and useful thread. Which would have added much to the sticky thread in DCC Sound Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigelcliffe Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) I have now uploaded the first update to the JMRI Hornby TTS sound decoder profile. ......... Brian Brian, thanks for picking this up, its only if users make contributions can the JMRI files be improved. When its done with some basic testing, can you add the file to the JMRI build please so it gets into regular distribution. The link for that is here on this page, scroll down to "contributing" and then follow the stuff about raising an "issue" on GitHub. Attach your new file to the "issue" you create and it will be picked up by the development team. (There might be a couple of emails back and forth to establish who you are, and sort out copyright legal stuff). http://jmri.org/help/en/html/doc/Technical/index.shtml I wrote the original TTS files a long time ago, but I'm never likely to use a TTS decoder, so was always depending on others making contributions. - Nigel Edited August 27, 2018 by Nigelcliffe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Hi SRman I'm also using the Power Cab and had similar issues at first. Both the class 31 and the class 37 reported CV 8 as 008. Giving the track a clean helped but I think the power cab throws a wobbly every so often. Do you have the sound manual for the Merchant as this will give you the values for CV's 7,8 and 159? I'll hold off adding the Merchant for now but will add it to the OP Interesting with regards the class 37 as my factory fitted class 37 came from the first batch of network rail 37's and CV 159 was 157. Was your '37' from a later batch? Brian My 37 was also from the RailRoad Network Rail version (which I sold on, later). I'll have another go with the 4MT later - it hasn't been run for a while so there could be a couple of electrical gremlins in the reading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAF96 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Hello Rob Yes you are correct CV 158 has been used to differentiate between the Fowler 2P and the 9F and have high numbers for the identification of the loco of 2703 and 655. Unfortunately there is no mention in the decoder file as to how these numbers were obtained. All the others so far appear to only use the three CV's originally requested. I have amended the OP to include CV 158 as a valve required Brian Brian CV158 is shown in Hornby’s Railmaster (RM) read-back listing as Loco Type and CV159 as Sound Mode. I can also get the odd direct reading from CV157 (value 5 or 6) but I have no idea what this represents. I have also noticed that RM often incorrectly IDs TTS decoders from CV7 as either R8249 or Factory Fit 4 Function and then calls up the wrong CV listing to populate. likewise there is some disparity the TTS Class decoders listed in RMs ‘force decoder’ list and those read back direct using an Elite. This is obviously due to early TTS decoders having the same code as Hornby standard decoders, since changed I will PM across my findings in a spreadsheet when properly drawn up. Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold traction Posted August 27, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 27, 2018 This is the leaflet that comes with the Railroad Mallard onboard TTS sound:- Hopefully it helps understand some of the CV's Cheers Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravensdmufan Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just tested decoder profiles for stand alone Class 47 and Class 60 TTS decoders. JMRI reading from both decoders perfectly. Thanks very much to Brian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beejack Posted August 27, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just tested decoder profiles for stand alone Class 47 and Class 60 TTS decoders. JMRI reading from both decoders perfectly. Thanks very much to Brian. Thanks for the update glad it's working for you. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravensdmufan Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) Just tested decoder profile of Class 20 TTS stand alone R8118 decoder fitted in my Bachmann 20. JMRI read it perfectly. Edited August 27, 2018 by cravensdmufan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Peter Beckett Posted August 28, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) LNER 2-8-2 P2 Class R3246TTS cv7 = 1 cv8 = 48 cv158 = 0 (this cv not listed in manual) cv159 = 133 As per Hornby Manual also read using JMRI Peter Edited August 28, 2018 by Peter Beckett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beejack Posted August 28, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 28, 2018 LNER 2-8-2 P2 Class R3246TTS cv7 = 1 cv8 = 48 cv158 = 0 (this cv not listed in manual) cv159 = 133 As per Hornby Manual also read using JMRI Peter Hello Peter Thanks for the information Would you be able to give me a list of the sound Functions or attach a copy of the manual as Traction has. Hornby have a link to the sound manual on their website but unfortunately it is behind an admin block and cannot be downloaded. I can then update the file to include all the sound functions as well. Thanks Brian For ease of testing I have now attached the latest file to the bottom of the opening post. This will now be updated as more locomotive information is received. The P2 will be added later this evening and the updated file will be available probably tomorrow evening. Regards Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAF96 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 @beejack Brian I have PM'd you my data as it is too cumbersome for general posting here. Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Peter Beckett Posted August 29, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 29, 2018 Hello Peter Thanks for the information Would you be able to give me a list of the sound Functions or attach a copy of the manual as Traction has. Hornby have a link to the sound manual on their website but unfortunately it is behind an admin block and cannot be downloaded. I can then update the file to include all the sound functions as well. Thanks Brian For ease of testing I have now attached the latest file to the bottom of the opening post. This will now be updated as more locomotive information is received. The P2 will be added later this evening and the updated file will be available probably tomorrow evening. Regards Brian Brian, I will scan the TTS Manual today and see if I can convert it into PDF file Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Peter Beckett Posted August 30, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 30, 2018 Brian, the 2 main pages with CV info Peter Hornby P2 TTS File.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAF96 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) Couple more ‘manuals’... ..not TTS but may be handy for JMRI anyhow. More TTS to come once I work out how to find them on the iPad iBooks area. Rob Class-5-(Black-5)-LokSound-V3.5.pdf Class-08-LokSound-V4.0.pdf Edit: Anyone who downloads a file to an iPad gets the choice of how to open it. If you use Akrobat then you can browse to it later for upload to the forum. If you use iBooks then the only way I have found to get it to the forum is by emailing it to myself, then open it in Akrobat again, then it will be accessible as before. Rob Edited August 30, 2018 by RAFHAAA96 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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