birdbath Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Hello everyone. Having recently recieved my limited edition packs of Regional Railways Mk2s, I'm now looking to re-number some of them. Problem is I'm getting nowhere with research of prototype information. I've tried various internet searches, looked into buying platform 5, etc, books on amazon and ebay, but nothing seems to have the required livery details for individual vehicles. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Many thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 The Platform 5s should have all that gen in, IIRC they coded them P for Provincial/ Trans-Pennine and later R for Regional Railways. Certainly when we looked after the final few rakes at Oxley, used on the Holyheads, and prior to that the Blackpool exec trains out of Manchester, we used the Platform 5 as our bible Which years are you looking at? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kintbury jon Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 I'd have thought a book around the 1992 era would be of help. I'll have one at home so could look up any vehicles should you require. It would probably be worth knowing what sort of trains you are running as I think a lot were based in the Liverpool area for the club trains but some also around Derby(?). There were also the rakes that ran in Scotland though of course these would have been branded Scotrail and not Regional Railways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdbath Posted May 5, 2011 Author Share Posted May 5, 2011 Thanks for your prompt replies. I'd looked at this book on ebay http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BR-LOCOMOTIVES-COACHING-STOCK-1993-vgc-clean-/160570036582?pt=Non_Fiction&hash=item2562b85166 and asked the seller whether it had livery details for individual details, to which he replied it hadn't. Maybe worth another look. The rakes will be loosely based on North Wales and the North west around 92-95. I.e. 37s and 31s on 4/5 Mk2s with the odd Mk1 thrown in as well. Thanks again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 As well as livery details they also have sector allocation and depot codes, giving a good idea of where they worked. More useful than the seller realises, it seems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Just a few that appeared in N Wales between 1993-2000. Mk2A TSO 5271 5307 5364 5365 5381 BSO 9417 BSK (exBFK) 35516 Merf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9-70 Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Regional Railways Mk2 Coaching Stock and Depot's as listed in the 1993 Platform 5 Locomotive & Coaching Stock Book. Not able to confirm if some or all stock carried the Regional Railwat livery. AC2Z (TSO) Inverness 5133, 5135, 5138, 5148, 5156, 5157, 5158, 5159, 5161, 5163, 5167, 5173, 5174, 5177, 5179, 5183, 5184, 5186, 5194, 5198, 5207, 5209, 5210, 5213, 5221, 5225, 5226 Derby 5180 AD2Z (SO) Inverness 5232, 5233, AC2A (TSO) Derby 5259, 5264, 5272, 5292, 5307, 5323, 5349, 5362, 5414 Liverpool Edge Hill 5266, 5267, 5271, 5282, 5304, 5316, 5341, 5353, 5354, 5364, 5365, 5366, 5385, 5386, 5393, 5396, 5401, 5432 Old Oak Common 5291, 5301, 5379, 5391 AC2B (TSO) Derby 5453, 5463, Liverpool Edge Hill 5491 AC2C (TSO) Liverpool Edge Hill 5505, 5554, Derby 5614 AH2Z (BSOT) Inverness 9100, 9101, 9105 AE2A (BSO) Liverpool Edge Hill 9417, 9419, 9421, 9424, 9435 Derby 9418, 9431, 9434 AB1Z (BFK) Inverness 17039 AB1A (BFK) Inverness 17064, 17068, 17089, 17090, 17091, 17099 AB1C (BFK) Liverpool Edge Hill 17118 AB2A (BSK) Liverpool Edge Hill 35506, 35507, 35508, 35509, 35510, 35511 K9-70 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugsley Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 In the 1992 P5 Coaching Stock Pocket Book, the following are listed as being in Provincial or Regional Railways: Provincial: 5147 5267 5282 5291 5293 5301 5311 5353 5365 5379 5386 5391 5393 5396 5401 5406 5414 5432 9412 9419 9421 9423 9424 Provincial Scotrail: 5152 BSO's in Provincial were: 9412 9419 9421 9423 9424 Looking at the description of the pack, interestingly the brake in the 39-000M pack is listed as being BSK 35510 and I can't find any evidence of it ever having existed! It would be close to the number of some BSK's created from modified BFK's, but these only went up to 35504. AFAIK, the BFK/BSK and BSO all shared the same bodyshell, so all you would have to do is change the interior, if it bothered you. I'd probably just renumber it as a BSO working on the basis that very few people would spot it HTH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerr Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Note that the Inverness based ones will likely be branded "SCOTRAIL" Equally, many coaches, especially BSO, BSO(T) BSK, and BFK, will not have any branding Therefore try and use reference photos where possible Sadly I disposed of all my thousands of photos taken between 1988 and 1993, in 1996 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdbath Posted May 6, 2011 Author Share Posted May 6, 2011 Thanks folks. That gives me plenty to go at. I'd be stuck without RMweb! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfield_Park Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 There was a fantastic thread on the last incarnation of RMWeb which may well have some useful photos for you. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=29217 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9-70 Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 In the 1992 P5 Coaching Stock Pocket Book, the following are listed as being in Provincial or Regional Railways: Provincial: 5147 5267 5282 5291 5293 5301 5311 5353 5365 5379 5386 5391 5393 5396 5401 5406 5414 5432 9412 9419 9421 9423 9424 Provincial Scotrail: 5152 BSO's in Provincial were: 9412 9419 9421 9423 9424 Looking at the description of the pack, interestingly the brake in the 39-000M pack is listed as being BSK 35510 and I can't find any evidence of it ever having existed! It would be close to the number of some BSK's created from modified BFK's, but these only went up to 35504. AFAIK, the BFK/BSK and BSO all shared the same bodyshell, so all you would have to do is change the interior, if it bothered you. I'd probably just renumber it as a BSO working on the basis that very few people would spot it HTH Hi, yes, 35510 did exsist. It's a Corridor Brake First downgraded to a Corridor Brake Standard, and was probably renumbered late 92 early 93 from 17075 to 35510 which would explain why the coach wasn't listed in the 1992 P5 Coaching Stock Book. K9-70 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugsley Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Thanks for clearing that up, I was working on the basis that the rest had been renumbered in 1985/86, but it makes sense that more would follow the sequence if reclassified. B) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
design8027 Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 When did the provisional coloured coaches start running thru to Inverness? Stephen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted July 15, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 15, 2011 re: the BSKs from BFKs - i have the 1998 platform 5 book, which i happened to check it lists 35507-35518 inclusive, but of these 35507-9/11 are mk2c, the rest mk2a (35510 being a 2a in the middle of 2cs!) i'd have thought that certain 'batches' of renumbers would be kept to one mark of coach, rather than mixing them up? (anyhoo all these brakes are shown as RR livery) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerr Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 When did the provisional coloured coaches start running thru to Inverness? I would say you are looking at Summer 1991 They started off on the Edinburgh - Inverness which was the final route handed over to Class 158 Sprinters and the following year a further Edinburgh - Aberdeen diagram was added The Aberdeen - Inverness also remained loco hauled for some time whilst the Class 156 units were used in the Central Scotland area However, I don't remember many coaches in Provincial livery, most were blue/grey, debranded NSE, or Regional version of NSE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Hi guys, Would anyone be able to provide me with suitable numbers for a TSO and BFK in the ex-NSE livery? (The ones with the red stripe changed to blue.) I have two Bachmann Mk2s I want to renumber to bolster my RR Mk2 rake. Thank you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Hi guys, Would anyone be able to provide me with suitable numbers for a TSO and BFK in the ex-NSE livery? (The ones with the red stripe changed to blue.) I have two Bachmann Mk2s I want to renumber to bolster my RR Mk2 rake. Thank you! I've had a look through my old Platform 5 books and the only one that lists this livery variation is 1994. Listed are: Mk2a TSO - 5265, 5275, 5276, 5278, 5290, 5293, 5309, 5331, 5335, 5350, 5373, 5376, 5378, 5381, 5389, 5412, 5419 and 5420. There are no BFKs but there are some downgraded to BSKs. Mk2a BSK - 35513, 35514, 35515, 35517 and 35518. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Thanks very much giz. Did any other coach types make it into that livery? Mk2Bs or Cs or FKs or BSOs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
srihaggis Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 There are no BFKs but there are some downgraded to BSKs. Mk2a BSK - 35513, 35514, 35515, 35517 and 35518. Maybe not in 1994 but 35512 eventually ended up with Regional based at Edge Hill as well. (MK2a BSK) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Maybe not in 1994 but 35512 eventually ended up with Regional based at Edge Hill as well. (MK2a BSK) That is listed as Regional Railways livery rather than ex-NSE with blue stripe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
srihaggis Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 That is listed as Regional Railways livery rather than ex-NSE with blue stripe. Apologies, I missed the part about the NSE with blue stripe. Interestingly,the coach did have an NSE interior. (See my profile pic, the interior is on the ballast!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Thanks very much giz. Did any other coach types make it into that livery? Mk2Bs or Cs or FKs or BSOs? The only other one I can find is Mk1 BSK 35452. The older P5 books don't list this livery variation separately and there were plenty of NSE livery coaches transferred to RR so there could be others that weren't recorded. If you have a look through the photos on this site you can see quite a few blue stripe NSE coaches in photos but I don't think any are identifiable. http://www.penmorfa.com/Archive/index.htm Edit: Looking through those photos some clearly show brakes with first class yellow stripes so perhaps the BFKs regained their first class status. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 http://www.penmorfa.com/Archive/index.htm Edit: Looking through those photos some clearly show brakes with first class yellow stripes so perhaps the BFKs regained their first class status. I thought some had because I recall reading somewhere that RR weren't happy with the BFKs - they thought trains either ended up with not enough first class or too much brake space IIRC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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