Shed Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 i was just wondering when engineers trains started to carry the Civil Link grey with yellow band livery?? especially the wording Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 late 1980's for the grey? Not sure when the word Civil Link started to appear though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 This comes up alot. It was in the region of 83-84. Certainly seen photos of wagons in it in 1984. Remember the livid came later iirc the first "general grey " loco was 89 with the first addition of yellow stripe 1990. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 Stupid iPhone , that was Loco not livid !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 Couple of variations from December 1983, Tonbridge, DB980000, and others in the background with a darker grey DB982544 with a thinner yellow stripe and another variation on grey Think i photographed them because the livery was new-ish, although that on the first photo is already grubby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 AFAIK the welded body Seacows (top photo) were the first wagons to be in the livery from new. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 AFAIK the welded body Seacows (top photo) were the first wagons to be in the livery from new. February 1981 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/seacow/e23bab886 although not quite as the main use of the livery, which was in use by mid March 1981 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/seacow/e2b708627 Paul Bartlett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Thanks for the clarification, Paul. The lighter grey could easily be mistaken for faded paint years later, but clearly it was like that from new. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shed Posted May 13, 2012 Author Share Posted May 13, 2012 So when did the words Civil Link appear? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 I think Civil-Link appeared with the demise of Speedlink as a dedicated network of trains for the Civil Engineers and was also used to move crippled private owner wagons to the main works. Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 In my VCA instruction leaflet, I've got a date of 1988 for the introduction of 'Civil link' livery on VCAs. The instructions were printed in January 1991, so I would have checked up in my collection of Rail and Modern Railways at the time before writing that! IIRC Speedlink ceased in July 1991, so the two existed alongside for a few years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 I think Civil-Link appeared with the demise of Speedlink as a dedicated network of trains for the Civil Engineers and was also used to move crippled private owner wagons to the main works. Mark Saunders I meant Civil link network services rather than livery! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungrange Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 In my VCA instruction leaflet, I've got a date of 1988 for the introduction of 'Civil link' livery on VCAs. The instructions were printed in January 1991, so I would have checked up in my collection of Rail and Modern Railways at the time before writing that! IIRC Speedlink ceased in July 1991, so the two existed alongside for a few years. I notice that there is a photograph of a 'Bass' in 'Civil Link' livery dated May 1988 on Paul Bartlett's site and since it looks freshly painted with a quoted repaint date of March 1988, this would appear to be consistent. See http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brbass/h2e20bc1e#h2e20bc1e Of course I have no idea how many wagons may have been painted in 'Civil Link' livery before this date. Regards David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 I notice that there is a photograph of a 'Bass' in 'Civil Link' livery dated May 1988 on Paul Bartlett's site and since it looks freshly painted with a quoted repaint date of March 1988, this would appear to be consistent. See http://paulbartlett....0bc1e#h2e20bc1e Of course I have no idea how many wagons may have been painted in 'Civil Link' livery before this date. Regards David There is a b/w photo of one in May 88 Motive power monthly reported as Hoo Junction 1 February 88 - ZDA DC110271. Incidentally MPM is THE primary place to look for all such timings during the period it was being produced. Paul Bartlett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shed Posted July 8, 2012 Author Share Posted July 8, 2012 Thanks guys Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Couple of variations from December 1983, Tonbridge, DB980000, and others in the background with a darker grey DB982544 with a thinner yellow stripe and another variation on grey Think i photographed them because the livery was new-ish, although that on the first photo is already grubby. Great photos What are the wagons in front of the sea cows? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Great photos What are the wagons in front of the sea cows? In front of 980000 (cut off at the bottom of the frame) are VB Grampus I think, common on the SR for engineering spoil and other stuff, and in front of 982544 are Dace, conversions of shock hood (?) at the very front, and another Grampus on the road between them and the Seacow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 In front of 980000 (cut off at the bottom of the frame) are VB Grampus I think, common on the SR for engineering spoil and other stuff, and in front of 982544 are Dace, conversions of shock hood (?) at the very front, and another Grampus on the road between them and the Seacow. Cheers for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slilley Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 "Dutch" livery first appeared on a Class 47 in August 1990, 47975. Official permission for the livery to be used wasa round this time. Hope this helps. Regards Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shed Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 I was thinking more about wagons and when they went dutch and got the words civil link put on them. Pre 1990? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Rather than being used to deliver fuel, I suspect it would have been used to recover spilt fuel from the interceptor, to save it running into the main sewers. The waste would then have been taken elsewhere for treatment- am I correct in thinking that there was no, or very restricted, road access to Ranelagh Bridge, so a road tanker would have problems getting in? I was thinking more about wagons and when they went dutch and got the words civil link put on them. Pre 1990? This was answered at 14, during 1988 Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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