Great West Road - transfers & I’m not talking football!

[southern42]

Hi Polly,

 

Guess what deal one of the 4144 gang and I have?! I am doing No. 4073 as No. 4079 with No. 5011s tender and No. 5011 will become No. 5000 with No. 4073s tender as per the time she was on trial with the LMS. My friend will buy No. 5000 from me and we both get interesting Castles! My No. 4079 is going into GWR style BR livery with BRITSH RAILWAYS in the Egyptian Serif font. Much less repainting that way - just a bit of extra lining to remove...

 

Everyone's a winner!

 

All the best,

 

Castle

 

Now that I like (after several attempts to get it together!).

I've been thinking of using 5011 for 5029.  I think I mentioned it before but I've recently noticed that 5029 has carried a British Railways liveried tender in the last few years which is why I'm happy to donate 5029's tender to 4079.  I'll have to look out for a British Railways one for 5029.

Never a dull moment.

 

Best wishes.

Polly

[Andrew P]

Hi Polly, just played catch up and it looks very good, some nice ideas.

 

Please keep posting the pics, lovely.

[southern42]

Hi Chris.

The roof would follow the Southall pattern of shallow slope on the west end and steep slope on the east end.  On the second photo of the mockup it looks as though the fall is the same on both sides - just a quirk of the camera's wide angle lens on the perspective I guess.

 

I'd also consider printing out the windows on clear acetate.  The wall isn't flat either with several bays and at least one top light though it looks straightforward enough to put together. I'll be happy enough to capture the essence of the building with a few of those key features.

Polly

 

Interesting observation today.  The last northlight slope on the east end is vertical.

http://www.prorail.co.uk/BWselection.php?id=306

 

This morning, I added the diesel shed outer (north) wall, the top wall of the west end and a stores/mess building on the south wall. Photos were dreadful so I'll try again tomorrow but saved the best of the bunch for the record.

 

I still have to do the diesel shed extension (east end) and also those ventilators so it looks like I'll be busy for a few days.

It might be worth getting some scenic paper (corrugated sheeting and brick walling) to give it some definition and character.

 

 

Polly

[southern42]

Hi all.

 

As you can see from the pic in the above post, the mockup shed is held together with masking tape.

Good move that as I will need to lower the height of the side building especially towards the front edge of the shed. Compare the model with this long distance view - you don't see the side building sticking out as on the model. [Edit.  The building you see on the right is in front of the shed and is free standing.]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/southwesternrailways/6813698242/

 

I took the shape from a diagram of the building's footprint.  Above ground it has a life of its own with different heights, bays, and overhangs. But can I find a picture of the side building in a single photo?  NOPE.  But you can get the gist of it by piecing together different images.

 

So...

West end [scroll down to : Ex GWR 0-4-2T No 1426 seen at Southall shed yard 5/5/56]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ex-GWR-0-4-2T-No-1426-seen-at-Southall-shed-yard-5-5-56-/321385167422?nma=true&si=U2lrpy5OuVDNon86uyFw5j%252B7u2g%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

Somewhere in the middle [scroll down to : GWR SOUTHALL SHED in 1963 with No.4707

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GWR-SOUTHALL-SHED-in-1963-with-No-4707-proper-R-P-P-C-glossy-photo-/141019630989?nma=true&si=U2lrpy5OuVDNon86uyFw5j%252B7u2g%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

East end with extension beyond shed exit

http://www.prorail.co.uk/BWselection.php?id=306

 

The aim is to replicate the style as far as possible given the smaller dimensions of the model.

 

That's enough for one night.  Thanks for reading.

 

Polly

Edited May 15, 2014 by southern42

[Donw]

Going back a bit I have used one of those shovels on King Edward never thought to take a photo of the shovel! Was too hard but we were stopped at Tysley easier than the cadbury tank where room was so tight it was a flick round the corner rather than a throw. 

Also a bit confused about the tour it does look very much like one I went on but the route back from Reading was different was there a similar tour in 64? 65 rather late for me trains had given way to motorbikes.

 

I think the mock up are working well fine tuning will give the best result.

Don

[southern42]

Evening all.  We had a good day at MRX LYDCC on Saturday and to my delight found a very nicely weathered 6869 Resolven Grange (Southall 1962-64) at Grimy Times.

 

Hi Don.  Did you take any other photos - King Edward, for instance?

I got the Thames Valley tour details from Sixbells Junction, The Railtour Files. Is your tour on there, perhaps?

 

Polly

[southern42]

An update.
 
I've been doing a bit of digging around trying to find out about branch line traffic in 2011.
 

First off - Aggregates as at Day & Sons: http://www.daygroup.co.uk/about-us.php

 

From the video, "Brentford Branch Line"  (GWRPreservationGroup), my EWS 66 could haul a couple of Yeoman JHA Bogie Aggregrate Hoppers - if I can find any. The 66 in the video is EWS 66248 “Vale of Glamorgan.”  You'll notice from the video that sprinklers are in operation to keep the dust down so making for some interesting weathering.
 

 

Or, maybe a couple of JGA hoppers as in the 2011 photo by nick86235

http://nick86235.smugmug.com/Trains/2011/Spring-is-in-the-air-allegedly/i-c4gQbrC/A

 

So, if you have any comments or suggestion....they'd be most welcome.

 

Next time, I'll take a look at creating a West London binliner.

 

Polly

 

Edit typo

Edited August 6, 2014 by southern42

[southern42]

Further to yesterday.

 

Ex-RMC JGA Hoppers might be easier to model - maybe I could get away with just one!

Seems there may be a few examples of the Angerstein Wharf-Brentford run out there such as this one of 66020 uploaded on flikr 31 May 2011:

https://flic.kr/p/9Pt5qA

 

There's also the Bachmann model to look out for : 37-326  90 Ton JGA glw bogie hopper wagon "RMC" to which could be added DB Schenker-style blocking out of the logo and some heavy weathering.

 

Polly

Edited June 13, 2014 by southern42

[southern42]

A week and a half gone already since our trip south.

Thought it was time I got some pics up.

 

We had a great week in Southern territory on the Mid Hants Railway but I'll begin with a birthday at Didcot on our return home and the action was already beginning as we queued at the ticket office.

 

Another run as we went through the gate.

 

What's this? Deadline to meet - out on loan on Wednesday..

 

You'll remember it.  It used to be in khaki.

 

Met up with Castle and had a cab ride (many thanks to all - absolutely brilliant)

 

in this beauty.

 

Now where's the party?

 

All lined up for a photograph...

 

After all the fun, we headed for the Refreshment Room for a cuppa.

Sat down just in time for the fly past...

 

...as 4079 moved for the first time in 14 years - well done Castle and team.

 

Called for its own celebration

.

 

Another great day out.

 

Polly

[georgeT]

Morning Polly, Just dropped in to see how you are getting on, l have a black 08 and was thinking of re-spraying it to a green one, but the yellow ends and black stripes are putting me off, so then l see the 08 you spotted in plain green so l might just do the same to my 08, thanks...

 

George

[Jaz]

Aaah Castle and Pendennis....Thats a great nameplate.....and useful for me.And a superb cake.Great pictures.

[southern42]

Morning Polly, Just dropped in to see how you are getting on, l have a black 08 and was thinking of re-spraying it to a green one, but the yellow ends and black stripes are putting me off, so then l see the 08 you spotted in plain green so l might just do the same to my 08, thanks...

 

George

 

Evening George,  glad to be of service.

 

Here are a few more 08s in case you change your mind.

Mid Hants blue 08 (Yeoman)

 

Mid Hants green 08

 

One I took for head end weathering reference for our model versions

 

08377 shunting ECS at Alresford (an unexpected invitation into the cab for another delightful experience)

 

Best wishes

Polly

 

Edit:  Forgot to include this one taken down in Swanage 19 June.

08436 shunting Swanage Belle ECS

 

Edited July 2, 2014 by southern42

[Castle]

 

...as 4079 moved for the first time in 14 years - well done Castle and team.

 

Another great day out.

 

Polly

Hi Polly and Ray,

 

Great to see you and Ray again! Glad you enjoyed yourselves too!

 

The movement of No. 4079 was the first time we have moved it with all the valve gear in place since it was stripped out in 2000 so it was great you could see her on that day. It was moved with pinch bars by my team and I had to ride on top of the frames as I had to see that everything was going in and out, up and down and so on as it should. Well, that was my excuse... It was very strange to see it all going round after looking at it as bits for so long! For others that were not there it went beautifully with very little effort so she should be good when we add a bit of steam...

 

Come again soon!

 

All the best,

 

Castle

[southern42]

Aaah Castle and Pendennis....Thats a great nameplate.....and useful for me.And a superb cake.Great pictures.

 

Then a couple more of 4079

 

 

Polly

 

PS (Caerphilly Castle - donor for my Pendennis - is due towards the end of 2014, so I'm informed. Can't wait.)

 

Polly

[Jaz]

Hi Polly and Ray,

 

Great to see you and Ray again! Glad you enjoyed yourselves too!

 

The movement of No. 4079 was the first time we have moved it with all the valve gear in place since it was stripped out in 2000 so it was great you could see her on that day. It was moved with pinch bars by my team and I had to ride on top of the frames as I had to see that everything was going in and out, up and down and so on as it should. Well, that was my excuse... It was very strange to see it all going round after looking at it as bits for so long! For others that were not there it went beautifully with very little effort so she should be good when we add a bit of steam...

 

Come again soon!

 

All the best,

 

Castle

I had neve realised before that you name avatar was THAT particular castle. Or why. How lovely to see it coming together again. And what a great time for friends to see it.

[Castle]

Hi Jaz,

 

I have helped look after No. 4079 for many years now. She is referred to by my partner as 'the other woman' - in jest and good faith I hasten to add, she is very understanding!

 

If you go to my profile page you should see the avatar picture in its entirety - as I produced it, feel free to use it for the wall if you want!

 

All the best,

 

Castle

[southern42]

Chasing trains, next installment. 

 

On the Mid Hants Railway which turned into quite a What next? sort of week.

 

Thinking of GWRd, of course, it was a chance to get the feel of the real thing.

After the delights of Southen locos Lord Nelson and Cheltenham at Alton, we spotted the yard at Ropley.

Britannia sporting an ungamely 4-4-2 arrangement while the removed wheelset receives attention. 

 

Wadebridge made a suitable substitute for Tangmere although we had a much appreciated invitation into the cab of the rebuilt Sir Keith Park when we stopped off for lunch at the Severn Valley Railway on the way down. 

 

Behind Britannia is 34051 Sir Winston Churchill escapee from the NRM for a cosmetic makeover.

 

Now I must try and get to the Bluebell to see the lifesize version of my 92240.

 

And it got better.  Tangmere being out of action, Southall-user 44932 turned up on the Swanage Belle.

 

 

And on the turntable a very nice GWR 5164

 

And still more.  On leaving Alresford Station the day before, we came across a tender in the forecourt.  Our journey back to the farm where we were staying was somewhat delayed while we took photos, tried to find out when the other half was to be delivered, and watched the cab and trailer while it was prepared to depart.

 

 

We had to wait until Friday morning to see if the engine had arrived and we were delighted to see it on the forecourt, the lorry drivers getting their vehicle ready to leave.

 

 

 

Engine reunited with its tender, shunted into place by 08377.

 

A pairing which I was pleased to capture since, as we found out later, 31806 is now at Swanage.

http://www.swanagerailway.co.uk/news/detail/swanage-railway-strenghtens-its-fleet-with-three-classic-1920s-southern-steam-locomotives

 

Another departee from the Mid Hants is 34016 Bodmin

 

to Southall.

http://daverydingphotography.zenfolio.com/34016_bodmin_25_06_14/h11934628#h11934628

 

If you have any info to add, please do so.

 

Polly

 

Edit to delete line returns to close the gap at the bottom of the post.

Edited July 4, 2014 by southern42

[southern42]

Well, what do you know?

On the Severn Valley Railway - our next stop of Chasing Trains after leaving Didcot - I grabbed a picture of 1501 which was standing just outside the shed.

 

 

Recognising the number, I was a bit confused as it carried the Old Oak Common shed plate. This called for a bit of digging.

Checking brdatabase and railuk, I found that 1501 was allocated to Southall from Old Oak 30/11/1950 and withdrawn 01/1961, sold to the NCB at Coventry along with 1502 and 1509, and finally bought by the SVR.

(https://www.flickr.com/photos/pentlandpirate/galleries/72157626989748348/)

 

Now, an 81C shed plate would look mighty attractive, don't you think?  :yes:

 

Polly

 

 

[Andrew P]

Hi Polly, just having a quick catch up and as its better to look at pics than try to read text you have given me plenty to feast my WONKY eyes upon.

 

Like George I was HORRIFIED to see Bodmin in such a sorry state, George and I have spent many a happy hour both watching and riding behind her at the Mid Hant's.

 

Love all the pics well done and that's what I call a proper holiday.

 

Heres some pic's of Bodmin in better times

 

Hope you don't mine me invading GWR.

 

Bodge.

 

 

[Jaz]

I know I will sound a numpty......but as you clearly understand the significance.....

what is a shed plate? Is it like if it gets lost return it to such and such a place? And where is it  in on a loco? 

[Jaz]

Hi Polly, just having a quick catch up and as its better to look at pics than try to read text you have given me plenty to feast my WONKY eyes upon.

 

Like George I was HORRIFIED to see Bodmin in such a sorry state, George and I have spent many a happy hour both watching and riding behind her at the Mid Hant's.

 

Love all the pics well done and that's what I call a proper holiday.

 

Heres some pic's of Bodmin in better times

34016 BODMIN nameplate.JPG

34016 Bodmin at Alresford.jpg

34016.jpg

P5290126.JPG

Bodmn 34016 at Alresford.jpg

 

Hope you don't mine me invading GWR.

 

Bodge.

Hi Andy....

 

lovely to see you posting....and adding piccies.....clearly feeling better 

[Andrew P]

Hi Jaz, the shed plate goes on the Smokebox Door and shows the current home shed of each locomotive, hope that helps, no doubt Polly and Ray can elaborate more as both are far more knowledgeable than me on these matters.

 

Bodge.

[Jaz]

Hi Jaz, the shed plate goes on the Smokebox Door and shows the current home shed of each locomotive, hope that helps, no doubt Polly and Ray can elaborate more as both are far more knowledgeable than me on these matters.

 

Bodge.

Cheers Andy

 

Polly.....do you have a picture.....or can you point me to one of your posts that exemplifies this?

 

thanking you in advance 

[Pannier Tank]

And on the turntable a very nice GWR 5164

IMG_1891 5164 on turntable Swanage.JPG

 

It is nice but not 5164    more like 6695   

Edited July 5, 2014 by Pannier Tank

[ChrisN]

Cheers Andy

 

Polly.....do you have a picture.....or can you point me to one of your posts that exemplifies this?

 

thanking you in advance 

 

Jaz,

On the picture above of 1501 it is at the bottom of the smokebox door and in this case it is 81A.  If you look carefully at the pictures of Bodmin you can also see it but not the number. 

 

In steam days, and probably now as well although it may be more complicated, there were sheds all over the country that were responsible for supplying locomotives for the trains in their area.  They had an allocation of various types for different jobs and I assume that the were responsible for looking after them.  It would mean that if a Southall engine had worked a train from Paddington to Bristol, that it would get worked back again and not up to Chester as it was clear where it came from.  Also the crew might have something to say about it unless they were sent back on another locomotive before the one they brought was ready to go back.

 

I am sure others can add to the answer.