Multiple identity account 2 Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Hey I am currently scratch building an Indian EMD for a friend. Since the India loco's chasis is identical (almost) to the Class 66 I thought of using Hornby's chasis but the moulding that holds the motor is just too broad and the model I am scratch building is a narrow body loco like the EMD's in the US and Canada!! So if anyone knows of a narrow or flat motor can you please let me know. I'll need it to power a Co-Co bogie and jus to specify more the model that I am building is got a narrow hood just like the Class 20. I'va attached a picture of the loco I intend to make. Thanks, Jeremiah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 The smaller Mashima are only 10mm wide. The DS10 is similar. Kim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Mashima can motors are also available in 12mm,14mm and 16mm widths. The DS10 is an open framed motor. There are various stockists such as Roxey, Branchlines and High Level. How about basing your model on an American diesel chassis with centrally mounted motor. A lot of them are designed with narrow hoods. Gordon A Bristol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted August 31, 2012 Author Share Posted August 31, 2012 @ Gordon. I could do that but if the chassis is identical to a Class 66, why go for an american one where the locos are much longer, higher and have the wrong bogies and fuel tanks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 You refered that the motor mounting on the 66 is too broad. Most of the American engines are of the narrow bonneted type. There is a chance with a bit of research that there is one that has the same or very close dimensions between each of the three axles. They usually manage to squeeze in a good can motor with fly wheels that gives good smooth running. Yes you will have to do some butchery, but if you are scratch building the body it should not be too difficult. Another chassis that may be useful is the Hornby class 58 - full width cabs at each end connected by narrow American style engine housing / bonnet. Gordon A Bristol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted September 1, 2012 Author Share Posted September 1, 2012 Thanks Gordon! And any idea which website I can look up to for the Mashima motor?? Should I jus try motorbogies' website? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 I think Mehano produced a Class 66 in HO scale, so might fit your project. I wouldn't recommend a DS10 for a big engine. It's a bit small for the task. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Hey I am currently scratch building an Indian EMD for a friend. Since the India loco's chasis is identical (almost) to the Class 66 I thought of using Hornby's chasis but the moulding that holds the motor is just too broad and the model I am scratch building is a narrow body loco like the EMD's in the US and Canada!! So if anyone knows of a narrow or flat motor can you please let me know. I'll need it to power a Co-Co bogie and jus to specify more the model that I am building is got a narrow hood just like the Class 20. I'va attached a picture of the loco I intend to make. It would help if you were to define 'narrow', like in millimetres. Then you could almost answer your own question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
burgundy Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 As BillB has suggested, if you know the dimensions of the space available, it should not be too difficult to work out the size of motor that will fit. Mashima flatcan motors are described as 1015, 1020, etc. This designates the width and length, i.e. 10mm wide aross the flats by 15mm long. The web sites for HighLevel and Roxey Mouldings show a selection. Horsetan's comment above is also relevant; size matters and you should aim for the largest motor that will fit comfortably. As Dutch Master has suggested above, Hollywood Foundry may also offer some ideas. Best wishes Eric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Apologises Jeremiah, I hadn't spotted you were located in India. Gordon A Bristol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted September 2, 2012 Author Share Posted September 2, 2012 Thanks guys! Well the narrow part would be exactly 2cm! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted September 2, 2012 Author Share Posted September 2, 2012 I think Mehano produced a Class 66 in HO scale, so might fit your project. I wouldn't recommend a DS10 for a big engine. It's a bit small for the task. Yes I am aware of Mehano's 66 but even that need a hell of a lot of butchering! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 This is the full range of Mashima Motors. There are a number of suppliers of these, and you may get them in India, but most suppliers only carry part of the range. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 The earlier suggestion of looking at US HO models, specifically of the EMD 40-2 loco and succeeding developments (from which classes 59 and 66 I believe derive) should still be considered. The cab of the Indian loco looks similar to that on the Irish class 201, another loco from the same stable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandbridgejct Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Hi, I'm a bit late coming to this. I wonder what scale and gauge are you working in? The habit in Ireland was to use an Athearn SD9 as a chassis for a CIE 071 class which was a twin cab narrow body co-co, mechanically equivalent to an SD-45. (A HO SD-45 chassis didn't work because the SD-45 had longer fuel tanks between the bogies.) Your loco looks about right for the SD9 too, and seems to be an intermediate design between the 071 and UK Class 66 / Irish Rail Class 201. I think there's another Indian loco that's closer to the 071. If the length is right, you'd need to change the bogie sideframes to the more modern design - the bogie on your loco is essentially an evolution from the earlier SD9 one. If I recall correctly the Athearn chassis had outside frames, so that would be difficult. You might live with the differences. Of course, if you're regauging for the Indian broad gauge, you'll need to take account of that too. Overall, the SD9 is probably a good compromise for a 16.5mm gauge model, otherwise I'd see what Hollywood Foundry can supply. Hope that helps. Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted October 10, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2012 The 59s were based on EMD SD40-2 locos so you might want to look for a USA model of that as the WDP4B seems to be a derivative of that. Cheers, Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted October 17, 2012 Author Share Posted October 17, 2012 The 59s were based on EMD SD40-2 locos so you might want to look for a USA model of that as the WDP4B seems to be a derivative of that. Cheers, Mike The WDP-4B is derived from a Class 66. Its got the same chasis and bogies. Does anyone have a Hornby Class 66? I would like to know how broad the mounting jig/bracket is for the powered bogie and if it can be narrowed down? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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