jonhall Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) Following on from my traditional container photos from the NRM, here are their decendents - I realise these may not be Freightliner Ltd containers, but the idea is that this will capture all the more modern ISO and bottom lift container photos that I find in the NRM's online collection.JonContainers at Parkeston Quay, 1971Description: Containers being loaded onto the MV Brathey Fisher at Parkeston Quay, Essex, 26 September 1971. This ferry took cargo from Harwich to Belgium and Holland. Containers speeded the transport of goods, as they could be rapidly transferred between road and rail vehicles, and then lowered by giant overhead cranes into the holds or decks of waiting cargo ships.The photo above is released under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA) licence. In a nutshell, that means it's free for any non-commercial use as long as you credit "© National Railway Museum and SSPL" and add a link back to http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=liverpoolst&item=120 Edited March 6, 2014 by jonhall 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted December 7, 2012 Author Share Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) Freightliner container, 1967Description: Freightliner container on a Seddon Atkinston lorry, transporting food to Welwyn Garden City, 25 May 1967. Freightliner services began in 1965. Goods were transported in containers so they could easily be transferred from rail to road vehicles. This one contains food for Fine Fare supermarkets in Glasgow.Freightliner container, 1967Description: Freightliner container on a Seddon Atkinston lorry, at Welwyn Garden City, 25 May 1967. Freightliner services began in 1965. Goods were transported in containers so they could easily be transferred from rail to road vehicles. This one contains food for Fine Fare supermarkets in Glasgow.The photo above is released under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA) licence. In a nutshell, that means it's free for any non-commercial use as long as you credit "© National Railway Museum and SSPL" and add a link back to http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=liverpoolst&item=285 http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=liverpoolst&item=286 Edited March 6, 2014 by jonhall 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Name on the ship doesn't seem to match the name on the caption for that one Jon - do ships have psuedonyms? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted December 7, 2012 Author Share Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) Freightliner depot at King's Cross, 1967Description: Container being loaded on a train at the Freightliner depot at King's Cross, London, 10 July 1967. Freightliner services began in 1965. Fast freight trains transported goods in containers. They were quickly transferred between road and rail vehicles by giant, rail-mounted overhead cranes.http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=liverpoolst&item=287Freightliner depot, 1967Description: Container being loaded on a train at the Freightliner depot at King's Cross, London, 10 July 1967. Freightliner services began in 1965. Fast freight trains transported goods in containers. They were quickly transferred between road and rail vehicles by giant, rail-mounted overhead cranes.http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=liverpoolst&item=288The photo above is released under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA) licence. In a nutshell, that means it's free for any non-commercial use as long as you credit "© National Railway Museum and SSPL" and add a link back to this page. Edited March 6, 2014 by jonhall 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted December 7, 2012 Author Share Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) Freightliner lorry, 1967Description: A British Railways Freightliner lorry, 1 May 1967. Freightliner services began in 1965. Goods were transported in containers so they could easily be transferred from rail to road vehicles.http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=liverpoolst&item=289Freightliner train, 1967Description: Freightliner train from York to Glasgow, hauled by the Class 47 diesel electric locomotive No D1837, 1 May 1967. Freightliner services began in 1965. Goods were transported in containers so they could easily be transferred from rail to road vehicles.http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=liverpoolst&item=290The photo above is released under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA) licence. In a nutshell, that means it's free for any non-commercial use as long as you credit "© National Railway Museum and SSPL" and add a link back to this page. Edited March 6, 2014 by jonhall 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted December 7, 2012 Author Share Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) Loading containers onto a ship at Harwich, 1969Description: Loading railway containers onto the Dutch ship Domburgh at night at Parkeston Quay, Harwich, Essex, 18 September 1969. Containers speeded the transport of goods, as they could be rapidly transferred between road and rail vehicles, and then lowered by giant overhead cranes into the holds or decks of waiting cargo ships.http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=liverpoolst&item=487Loading containers onto a ship, 1969Description: Loading freight containers onto the Dutch-owned ship the Domburgh at Parkeston Quay, Harwich, Essex, 18 September 1969. Freight containers, which could be transported by road or rail vehicles and then rapidly transferred to cargo ships revolutionised the transport of goods.http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=liverpoolst&item=490Loading containers onto a ship at Harwich, 1969Description: Loading railway containers onto the Domburgh at Parkeston Quay, Harwich, Essex, 18 September 1969. This Dutch ship is taking goods to Holland. Containers speeded the transport of goods, as they could be rapidly transferred between road and rail vehicles, and then lowered by giant overhead cranes into the holds or decks of waiting cargo ships.http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=liverpoolst&item=488Loading containers onto a ship at Harwich, 1971Description: An overhead crane lowering a container onto the Brathey Fisher at Parkeston Quay, Essex, 26 September 1971. This ferry took cargo from Harwich to Belgium and Holland. Containers speeded the transport of goods, as they could be rapidly transferred between road and rail vehicles, and then lowered by giant overhead cranes into the holds or decks of waiting cargo ships.http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=liverpoolst&item=489The photo above is released under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA) licence. In a nutshell, that means it's free for any non-commercial use as long as you credit "© National Railway Museum and SSPL" and add a link back to this page Edited March 6, 2014 by jonhall Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted December 7, 2012 Author Share Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) London to Paris freightliner, 1968Description: Railway managers at the inaugural run of the London to Paris freightliner train, pulled by a Class 47 diesel locomotive number D1758, 22 April 1968. This freight train connected with a ferry across the English Channel, and on arrival the rolling stock was hauled by a French locomotive to Paris. British Railways Freightliner services began in 1965 and were fast freight trains that carried a wide variety of goods and provided a more efficient door to door service. Goods were transported n containers so they could quickly transferred by overhead cranes from rail to road vehicles.http://www.nrm.org.u...poolst&item=509London to Paris freightliner, 1968Description: Managers and a British Rail driver at the inaugural run of the London to Paris freightliner train, pulled by a Class 47 diesel locomotive number D1758, 22 April 1968. This freight train connected with a ferry across the English Channel, and on arrival the rolling stock was hauled by a French locomotive to Paris. British Railwys Freightliner services began in 1965 and were fast freight trains that carried a wide variety of goods and provided a more efficient door to door service. Goods were transported n containers so they could quickly transferred by overhead cranes from rail to road vehicles.http://www.nrm.org.u...poolst&item=510London to Paris freightliner, 1968Description: Inaugural run of the London to Paris freightliner train, pulled by a Class 47 diesel locomotive number D1758, 22 April 1968. This freight train connected with a ferry across the English Channel, and on arrival the rolling stock was hauled by a French locomotive to Paris. British Railwys Freightliner services began in 1965 and were fast freight trains that carried a wide variety of goods and provided a more efficient door to door service. Goods were transported n containers so they could quickly transferred by overhead cranes from rail to road vehicles.http://www.nrm.org.u...poolst&item=511The photo above is released under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA) licence. In a nutshell, that means it's free for any non-commercial use as long as you credit "© National Railway Museum and SSPL" and add a link back to this page. Edited March 6, 2014 by jonhall Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Interesting to see so many of the boxes were already ISO-compliant, with Twistlocks and top-lift, as early as 1967. I hadn't realised that skeletal trailers had been intoduced so early on, either. The single-axle one, with four wheels, is a find as well. The tractor-unit wasn't a Seddon-Atkinson, but a Seddon, as the two companies weren't to merge until 1970. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted December 7, 2012 Author Share Posted December 7, 2012 Name on the ship doesn't seem to match the name on the caption for that one Jon - do ships have psuedonyms? I didn't notice that still I don't pay all that much attention to the captions, as they are very poor - one of the reasons for putting htese collections together waas so that they are easier to find photos of a particular subject - other 'themes' I'm considering are 'Specially constructed wagons and their loads', 'cars on rail', 'pallets and forklifts' and 'BRUTE trollies'. Jon 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted December 28, 2012 Author Share Posted December 28, 2012 London to Paris Freightliner being loaded onto train ferry <h2>FREIGHT LINER TRAINS</h2><a href="http://www.britishpathe.com/video/freight-liner-trains/query/freight+train"><img src="http://images.britishpathe.com/?id=89619&num=10&size=thumb" title="FREIGHT LINER TRAINS" width="352" height="264" /></a> footage of freightliner containers being loaded/unloaded <h2>FREIGHT LINER DEPOT</h2><a href="http://www.britishpathe.com/video/freight-liner-depot/query/freight+train"><img src="http://images.britishpathe.com/?id=91012&num=10&size=thumb" title="FREIGHT LINER DEPOT" width="352" height="264" /></a> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) London to Paris freightliner, 1968 Description: Railway managers at the inaugural run of the London to Paris freightliner train, pulled by a Class 47 diesel locomotive number D1758, 22 April 1968. This freight train connected with a ferry across the English Channel, and on arrival the rolling stock was hauled by a French locomotive to Paris. British Railways Freightliner services began in 1965 and were fast freight trains that carried a wide variety of goods and provided a more efficient door to door service. Goods were transported n containers so they could quickly transferred by overhead cranes from rail to road vehicles. London to Paris freightliner, 1968 Description: Managers and a British Rail driver at the inaugural run of the London to Paris freightliner train, pulled by a Class 47 diesel locomotive number D1758, 22 April 1968. This freight train connected with a ferry across the English Channel, and on arrival the rolling stock was hauled by a French locomotive to Paris. British Railwys Freightliner services began in 1965 and were fast freight trains that carried a wide variety of goods and provided a more efficient door to door service. Goods were transported n containers so they could quickly transferred by overhead cranes from rail to road vehicles. London to Paris freightliner, 1968 Description: Inaugural run of the London to Paris freightliner train, pulled by a Class 47 diesel locomotive number D1758, 22 April 1968. This freight train connected with a ferry across the English Channel, and on arrival the rolling stock was hauled by a French locomotive to Paris. British Railwys Freightliner services began in 1965 and were fast freight trains that carried a wide variety of goods and provided a more efficient door to door service. Goods were transported n containers so they could quickly transferred by overhead cranes from rail to road vehicles. The photo above is released under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA) licence. In a nutshell, that means it's free for any non-commercial use as long as you credit "© National Railway Museum and SSPL" and add a link back to this page. Sir Henry Johnson (BRB Chairman) in the dark check suite. Not impressed at all by some of the NRMs caption accuracy. Surely the York - Glasgow Freightliner is one from London (York Way Terminal) to Glasgow. Nice find though Jon. Thanks. Edited December 28, 2012 by Western Sunset Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Freightliner lorry, 1967 Description: A British Railways Freightliner lorry, 1 May 1967. Freightliner services began in 1965. Goods were transported in containers so they could easily be transferred from rail to road vehicles. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=liverpoolst&item=289 Freightliner train, 1967 Description: Freightliner train from York to Glasgow, hauled by the Class 47 diesel electric locomotive No D1837, 1 May 1967. Freightliner services began in 1965. Goods were transported in containers so they could easily be transferred from rail to road vehicles. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=liverpoolst&item=290 The photo above is released under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA) licence. In a nutshell, that means it's free for any non-commercial use as long as you credit "© National Railway Museum and SSPL" and add a link back to this page. Note the "Guards compartment" container on the 1st wagon - bet that was fun to ride in........ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 From the original pupose built batch of six Caboose Containers three still survive, one at each of the following, York NRM, North Yorkshire Mooors Railway at Newbridge Yard and one at the Wilton Freightliner Terminal. There were still outer wagons with footsteps on in the 1990's even though the cabooses had been withdrawn at least 25 years previous. Mark Saunders 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 I got a rather nice book on King's Lynn docks for Christmas. I was rather surprised to see a picture of containers being unloaded from a ship onto freightliner flats. Not something i would normally associate with King's Lynn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 I got a rather nice book on King's Lynn docks for Christmas. I was rather surprised to see a picture of containers being unloaded from a ship onto freightliner flats. Not something i would normally associate with King's Lynn.I think this might have had something to do with an industrial dispute at one of the bigger ports. Containers to/from the UK would have been taken to one of the major North European ports, most likely Rotterdam, on smaller vessels, then transhipped for the ocean-going part of the journey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Note the "Guards compartment" container on the 1st wagon - bet that was fun to ride in........ It would be interesting to know if they were "fun". Unlike a conventional brake van they were on a bogie vehicle - so maybe they rode better. And at 10ft x 8ft x 8ft which is the same length as the van of a BR standard van, and marginally wider than the standard van. OK going out for some fresh air wasn't possible, unlike a standard van, but were they so bad? Paul Bartlett 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 So where is that train with the caboose/guard's container? The caption says York to Glasgow, and the headcode is an 'S', but is that 4th rail electrification on some of the tracks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 So where is that train with the caboose/guard's container? The caption says York to Glasgow, and the headcode is an 'S', but is that 4th rail electrification on some of the tracks?As others have suggested, it's most likely to have been from 'York Way', which was near King's Cross station. Given the 4th rail electrification on at least two, possibly three, of the tracks pictured, might it be somewhere around the Willesden Junction area. That tower in the background looks familiar; I'm sure it's visible from the ECML near Finsbury Park/Ally Pally. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 seems strange in the shots of Henry Johnson that the gleaming class 47 isnt a blue one at that time if its for publicity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Martin Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 It would be interesting to know if they were "fun". Unlike a conventional brake van they were on a bogie vehicle - so maybe they rode better. And at 10ft x 8ft x 8ft which is the same length as the van of a BR standard van, and marginally wider than the standard van. OK going out for some fresh air wasn't possible, unlike a standard van, but were they so bad? Paul Bartlett I believe that the caboose containers were introduced because the NUR wouldn't countenance their members riding in the rear cab of the locomotives on container trains, which was BR's original plan. That was why early liner trains operated with passenger brakes, or even air-braked goods brakes, at the rear. The caboose was supposed to address this by removing the need for an additional vehicle. The fact that they rapidly fell out of use and the guards started riding in the rear cab probably says everything that needs to be said about the caboose environment. In Collins' Freightliner: Life and Times, it's recorded that the Chairman of Freightliner described the caboose as "an unmitigated disaster" when the company handed one over to the NRM in 1985. I think this might have had something to do with an industrial dispute at one of the bigger ports. Containers to/from the UK would have been taken to one of the major North European ports, most likely Rotterdam, on smaller vessels, then transhipped for the ocean-going part of the journey. I don't know what date the photo is from, but the first (1968) edition of Jane's Freight Containers has entries for all kinds of British ports, including King's Lynn. It looks like just about everywhere was hoping for a piece of the action, container-wise. At that time, KL was advertising one container service: the Washbay Line's twice-weekly route to Hamburg ("special connection to Stockholm") using two vessels, the Alster and Lynn, both ro-ro vessels with a capacity of 70 20' containers. The Washbay Line's own entry describes their route, rather splendidly, as "Hamburg/King's Lynn and vice versa, twice weekly each Tuesday and Friday with sufficient inducement calling also at Cuxhaven, Emden, Boston (Lincs), Grt Yarmouth, Lowestoft". As others have suggested, it's most likely to have been from 'York Way', which was near King's Cross station. Given the 4th rail electrification on at least two, possibly three, of the tracks pictured, might it be somewhere around the Willesden Junction area. That tower in the background looks familiar; I'm sure it's visible from the ECML near Finsbury Park/Ally Pally. A very, very similar photo appears on page 10 of Collins' book, where it's captioned: "One of the first Freightliner trains leaves Maiden Lane depot for the long haul up to Glasgow..." (then a bit about the loco and the caboose container). It gives the date as 1965. I don't think it's the exact same shot: it looks to have been taken a moment after the one above, judging from the relative position of the loco and the ground signal, but everything else about it looks the same, including the state of completion of the building behind the locomotive. The one in the book has been reproduced with quite a lot more contrast than the shot above, which makes comparison a bit harder, but I'm certain that they're from the same time. Jim 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Thanks for posting that, Jim. Looking at Google Earth, it would appear that Maiden Lane terminal would have been just north of St Pancras, in which case the electrified lines would have been the North London Lines. The train would have joined the WCML near the Roundhouse in Cambden. Looking at the map, it would appear that there were Eastern and London Midland Freightliner terminals within spitting distance of one another. http://goo.gl/maps/XfGam Maiden Lane would have been just the other side of the NLL to York Way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 As others have suggested, it's most likely to have been from 'York Way', which was near King's Cross station. Given the 4th rail electrification on at least two, possibly three, of the tracks pictured, might it be somewhere around the Willesden Junction area. That tower in the background looks familiar; I'm Thanks for posting that, Jim. Looking at Google Earth, it would appear that Maiden Lane terminal would have been just north of St Pancras, in which case the electrified lines would have been the North London Lines. The train would have joined the WCML near the Roundhouse in Cambden. Looking at the map, it would appear that there were Eastern and London Midland Freightliner terminals within spitting distance of one another. http://goo.gl/maps/XfGam Maiden Lane would have been just the other side of the NLL to York Way. The pitched roof tower in the background looks like the one modelled on Copenhagen Fields, in the Cattle Market area IIRC. Further to the left is a structure which I'm guessing is Ally Pally TV transmitter in the distance. I'd need to check the NLL book, but I'm fairly sure the line had 25kv overhead along the stretch from Willesden to Maiden Lane, it was de-energised in the early 70s, presumably all Kings X Freightliner traffic moved to the ECML after that date. The same book might confirm the dates the fourth rails were removed from these stretches of the NLL, I seem to remember they were redundant from the 50s but remained in situ along some stretches for many years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Surely the tower / chimney and the large communication mast (Ally Pally ?) on the skyline should be enough for thsoe with knowledge to pin this one down ? - It's definately not York. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 It does have me baffled at the moment but this photo is out there.. http://www.rcts.org.uk/features/mysteryphotos/show.htm?img=Y-97-03&serial=1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 I'll dig the NLL book out but my best guess is the train is exiting Maiden Lane, West on to the NLL where it'll cross on to the line third from right which would be the Westbound goods line on the NLL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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