Ruston Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Just a thought until someone can confirm that these little engines are fine with insulfrog points but here's the plan using Hornby trackork. If not I may have to redesign it for Peco electrofrogs, which are longer and not as tight radius. It's some sort of steel forge and foundry (I'm keeping it a bit vague for now). Lower right is BR access and a cassette system can be used. The other hidden tracks will be accessible from the rear to allow wagon loads to be added/emoved. Traffic in would be steel billets, plate and pig iron. Traffic out will be castings, forgings and pressings. Comments welcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed a/c Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I know Everard Junction said on his You Tube review they are ok but he had to push the pickups closer to the wheels and the track has to be very clean. All of his track is electrofrog except for a couple of Hornby insulfrog points which he used in his shunting layout (where the Sentinel will be working most of the time) Hope that helps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Burton on Trent Brewery would make a nice model, they used sentinel diesels http://www.search.staffspasttrack.org.uk/content/images/27/28/Resource/5057-0.jpg http://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/5969235489/ Brit15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed a/c Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Can I ask why it makes a difference? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Can I ask why it makes a difference? As Electrofrog are designed to provide electricity to all parts on a layout, and are therefore ideal for DCC. But if you try to use them on DC, it is possible, but you may find locos moving even when the points aren't set to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed a/c Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I use insulfrog on my DCC layout and have had no problems. I do use those little clips that Hornby sell however. Not sure if that makes a difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 This is the best I can do with Peco. I did the track before the buildings and backscene so the top point is unneccessary now because it's completely under the buildings and backscene. I suppose it looks better though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 No matter which, I would reccomend electrofrog points no matter what type of layout you are building, or if you are using DC or DCC. Gordon A Bristol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Why not move the wholw track work to the left by say 9 inches, with the rest of the headshunt being on a cassette having passed under a bridge. Gordon A Bristol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I use insulfrog on my DCC layout and have had no problems. I do use those little clips that Hornby sell however. Not sure if that makes a difference. I think they are called DCC Clips. And that does, as it transfers the electricity from one rail to another. So all the rails are electrified at all times! Your points, are they Hornby or Peco? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed a/c Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I have Peco streamline. Not very electrically savvy as it were so from what I had learned from research the insulfrogs were the lest daunting of the options. I think now I could probably switch to electrofrog. My current set up is not complex just some ovals and sidings really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I have Peco streamline. Not very electrically savvy as it were so from what I had learned from research the insulfrogs were the lest daunting of the options. I think now I could probably switch to electrofrog. My current set up is not complex just some ovals and sidings really. Right! Hornby produce DCC clips, as they don't make electrofrog points, they only make Insulfrog. So they make the clips as they essentially override the insulators on the insulfrogs, making it electrofrog! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 Why not move the wholw track work to the left by say 9 inches, with the rest of the headshunt being on a cassette having passed under a bridge. Gordon A Bristol I don't really want more dangly bits than strictly neccessary. I suppose I could shorten the headshunt and move it all to the left but I'd be restricted to short wheelbase wagons only. I was thinking of being able to get the loco and a bogie bolster on the headshunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 It indeed looks superb! But this has been drawn in 'Any Rail' I presume, so how did you get the pics on here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 River Don Works (you know me so well, Mickey! lol) - Another attempt! I think this one will do. It's got enough sidings to make it interesting and it uses only Peco electrofrog code 75 points and track. I've shortened the headshunt but bogie bolsters can still get in the right hand track into the main building. 80104 - The trackwork was done in Anyrail. I took a screenshot from Anyrail, reduced it in size and superimposed the colours on with Photoshop. Anyrail is far better than that Xtracad rubbish that I used when designing BT&S. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Could you not swap the two and three way points to make the front siding longer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 The Grid you've used, what size is it? Sorry, it's just I'm playing around on Anyrail looking for a solution to your problems! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Just a reminder of this thread Dave; http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/41515-bsc-landore/ I guess you're looking for something a bit more 'built up', more enclosed by buildings, but it shows some tight track work and detail around a BSC foundry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 Could you not swap the two and three way points to make the front siding longer? A Cunning plan, Sir! And thanks to Arthur's reminder and looking at those photos I have added another siding and a gantry crane so scrap can be removed from BR wagons to a pile and into internal use wagons - if it's a foundry that is, If it isn't it's still extra siding space and the area around it can be concreted as a stock yard and allow transfers to road vehicles. Each grid square is 1ft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium skipepsi Posted January 11, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 11, 2014 If you bent the head shunt up a bit so it was square to the edge it would allow the building of another 4x2 module perhaps just a run round loop but the same sort of backscene? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 As Electrofrog are designed to provide electricity to all parts on a layout, and are therefore ideal for DCC. But if you try to use them on DC, it is possible, but you may find locos moving even when the points aren't set to.Only if you don't wire up the layout correctly/competently. All points work well with both DC and DCC - But only if you wire them correctly. The only problem for insulfrog points is that silly lump of plastic which isolates one wheel of the loco at at time from any power source and thereby if the point is poorly laid or the loco has poor pickups/suspension everything comes to a standstill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted January 11, 2014 Author Share Posted January 11, 2014 Looks like the layout is no longer just proposed... I'll start another topic for the construction. Thanks to all who helped with ideas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neil Posted January 13, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 13, 2014 Right! Hornby produce DCC clips, as they don't make electrofrog points, they only make Insulfrog. So they make the clips as they essentially override the insulators on the insulfrogs, making it electrofrog! I'm afraid that they don't. The difference between 'electro' and 'insul' frog is down to the material the frog (the V shaped piece where the tracks diverge) is made of. As one may have already guessed 'electro' will be made of a conducting material and can pass current to the wheels of a loco traversing the point whereas 'insul' will be made from an insulating material and will not pass current to a loco whilst it travels over this short section. Hornby's dcc clips will act to make both roads through the point live, but there will still be an electrically dead section over the point frog. My apologies if this sounds like nit picking, but beginners to the hobby can become confused with pointwork, wiring and how the juice gets to the loco. It's as well to try to make such matters as clear and unambiguous as possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Welcome back to the smaller scale. Have your eyes re-adjusted to the smaller sizes yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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