92220

You’ve made a really lovely job of that by the looks of it, and from not the easiest of beginnings I guess.

LNER4479 and I were wondering the other day about backdating Camden Shed for a running weekend sometime (well into the future when it’s closer to being finished!). Seeing 6243 looking like that makes it a more attractive idea still.

Iain

Thanks John. A good idea, which I had thought of, but was lazily trying to short cut by finding a can off the shelf. I will go to find a local supplier.

Out of interest, does anyone have a colour code or Pantone number for BR maroon or BR (LMR) loco red?  

When I ordered the Land Rover deep bronze green for BR green it was from a colour or Pantone code.  Which I have forgotten but could no doubt find somewhere.

thanks,

Iain

On 07/09/2022 at 21:47, M51625 said:

does anyone have a recommendation for a halfords match to coach roof grey for Maroon liveried stock?

I have used a Matt grey spray paint from Halfords which was, I think, described as Plastic Bumper Paint.  I am sure it was recommended somewhere on RMWeb since that’s where I seem to learn most things.  Anyway, it did a decent job especially as any coach roof gets a good bit of weathering after painting.

More urgently for me, Halfords have discontinued Rover Damask Red and will no longer mix paint to match and to order, or at least the person in my local branch says so.

Any advice for a currently available close match to Rover Damask Red, anyone?  For BR maroon coaches in particular.  
 

thanks in advance for any advice.

Iain

10 minutes ago, figworthy said:

 

What a lovely piece of work.

 

Looking at the picture of the prototype, there are two horizontally mounted pulleys at the top swivel point (it looks as though you've only got one), with the chain running between them, and then heading indoors, so I would imagine that there is some form of winch in there.  Slewing is probably done by swinging the load with ropes, and that will drag the job around.

 

Adrian

thanks Adrian.  I had it in mind to add the second pulleys on each one when I’d worked a little more out about the mechanism, and given the lack of any clues outside, I wondered about a winch inside.  That would make things entirely comprehensible!

Iain

Thanks for the past 10 years, Scott, and here’s to many more!

best wishes,

Iain

This is a bit laughable to be honest.  But anyway.

I started this in 2013.  44741 LRP Caprotti, straight steam pipes, single chimney, plain bearings, fluted rods, LWB - with a specific tender as below.  I have 2 photos of it at Camden on shed, and another at Euston, so it’s a worthy subject. 

The build stalled when I dropped the tender on the floor.  I thought it was reparable but it probably wasn’t and I never quite got around to finishing it.  It needed a complete Comet part welded tender with plain bearings and short spring hangers.  I decided I should get on with it before the new Hornby one comes out.  
 

So I built the tender, painted and lined it, added the splasher lining on the loco, and it is now close to being done.
 

 I was quite pleased with the original conversion - like the HRP 44687 it was a major operation to do so - and I am keen to keep both whatever the Hornby one looks like. I hope you all like it!

On another note, you might have seen this footage on the main Camden Shed thread, or on the Hills of the North thread, but it maybe bears repetition here in case not.

 Various Camden locos had a run up or down Shap on Saturday, thanks to Graham and the team:

46245 

46239

45735

92220

44687

45027

73139

92056

70044

45584

44684

Iain

Not at all Graham - you had more than enough to occupy the mind!

Hope today goes well.

Iain

I bought one - preordered 18 months ago. Of course I did.  Probably no surprise to anyone, nor what version I bought.  But anyway.

It arrived.  Packaging did a far better job than previous versions at protecting the valuable contents from damage. 
 

In common with one earlier poster, one brake block had fallen off, but on first examination that is the only issue and it is easily rectified.

First impressions are that it is absolutely excellent overall.  It runs very smoothly, but as I’ve not run it in yet, I haven’t tested it for haulage capacity.  Is it, on balance, better than the Bachmann version that I spent several hours and a lot of care in improving?  I think so, yes.  Some of even the very much more obscure details I added are already on, or are just much better, on the Hornby version - step on the reverser, WR lamp irons and the ATC for example.  There has been some very careful research done on this - always assuming the other versions are different!
 

In my view, the Bachmann one wins on:

Driving wheel shape/profile - if killybegs uses the Bachmann wheel as the very best basis, better than Gibson, Ultrascale or anything, for the ultimate P4 9F then this is worth something.  
Front step under the smokebox - the Hornby one is full width of the frames and is only correct for post 63 I think

Etched smoke deflectors (and etched nameplates provided) 

Front pony (specifically the ease of removing the NEM pocket, which would disappear for either)

Pony wheel profile (not that either would be preferred to Gibson)

Colour etc of wheels, frames etc, although again if weathered you make your own choice

cylinder drain cocks - more accurate shape although not as crisp a moulding to be fair.  
 

Hornby one wins on 

Cab/footplate interface - whatever you do the Bachmann one has a tiny gap between the two components

Shade of green 

tender brake gear and frames

tender doors (not cab doors) 

overall detailing - ATC, specific WR lamp irons, cinder guards, cab and tender details, injector pipework, smokebox pipework, sliding cab ventilator, reverser step, 

Hidden gear tower 

tender pickups (I presume?  I didn’t check yet)

much finer handrail pillars

subtle details like the cladding panels and smokebox, firebox/boiler interface, safety valves

but then the Hornby one is close to 20 years newer.

I would say it is pretty much a dead heat in many areas because both are very good renditions of 92220.  Really characteristic details like the cab profile, front spectacles, cylinder shape, lubricator drive etc are dead giveaways when wrong - witness the straight sided DJH 9F cab - and look spot on for both versions.

Disclaimer: This is just a 5 minute look and first impression!

And the bottom line is both are rtr 4mm models.  Both are an excellent basis either for accepting them for what they are - very good out of the box with a few small shortcomings of varying degrees, and more importantly, both are an even more excellent basis for doing some modelling.  I plan to add to the Hornby one when I get round to it:

Etched deflectors 

Etched nameplates

water pipes from tender to injectors 

front vacuum pipe support (different to the Hornby one)

Exactoscale front coupling (9Fs had an extra link)

Front pony detailing 

Front pony wheels (Gibson)

plus obvious things like front steps, draincocks, crew, lamps coal and weathering 

So, no criticism from me at all.  Delighted with it.  
 

Iain 

Welcome back Scott.  Glad to hear you’re ok.  
best wishes 

Iain

Hi Brian,

nice work.  It’s complicated even though the alterations appear small.  I would still like to redo mine.

did you replace the Hornby Rebuilt Scot/Pat chimney?  The Brassmasters one is a big improvement I think.  Also the Comet/Wizard one seems a better shape to me.

best wishes 

Iain

Thanks Brian.  I removed some plastic from the body under the cab and I got it to roughly the right height in the end.  As I recall the correct measurement is roughly 59mm from the rail head. But I’d have to check.

The difficulty was that, having used a Mashima motor and a Comet GB3 on the middle axle, I had a job getting enough weight in the rear of the loco.  The front has the Hornby weight but there isn’t much room behind the motor.  
 

I have a couple more Scots and 2-3 rebuilt Patriots to do: I’ll need to find a better arrangement to get enough weight in the rear end of the loco.

Getting enough weight in a Black 5 is also a challenge but it’s a bit more balanced front to rear.

Weighting a plastic Coronation body is a bit easier because it’s cavernous 

Iain

Hi Brian,

Good to see a few more 6’9”  4-6-0s

may I ask what you have done to weight and fine tune the ride height on your Scot?  I found the Hornby body on unmodified Comet frames (a) light and (b) cab and fall plate too high up

Best wishes,

Iain

Hi Simon and anyone supporting HLJ last weekend,

200 mile round trip to see this on Saturday and I would break into a Proclaimers rendition given the chance.  Quite simply jaw-dropping - the ambition and execution; the scale, the detail, everything.  
 

It’s not my modelling scale, region or era (obvious steam special apart) but it brought back vivid memories nonetheless.  Huge congratulations, appreciation and thanks for making this happen.  
 

However, I spotted a discarded Walkers crisp packet that was 7 months and 5 days too early for the period depicted.  Really.  Disgraceful and you should do better.  🧐🤣

I have just filled up my car and I can’t begin to calculate how much it must have cost to transport it, let alone the hours, energy, expertise and funds required to get it to this stage.  You have my total admiration.  I thought I was trying to do something mad with 40’ of North London in my loft, but I think I just need to get my finger out.  

Iain 

I can only begin to imagine the frustration and endless hours that you and others have had to get through this process, Andy.  A big thank you from me to add to all the others here.  
 

Iain

I don’t know for sure but Sir William A. Stanier F.R.S. or City of Stoke-on-Trent probably has a longer nameplate than Queen Mary or Coronation?

Iain