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Happy to help if I can. One major q would be to what extent you want to compress. To illustrate, Camden 1B was famously or even notoriously cramped and constrained, and since it was full of my favourite locos and had one of the busiest mainlines in the country directly alongside, it made a perfect subject for me. I had one compromised go at it in a 20’x12’ shed. The current iteration is to scale and is in a purpose built loft of 39’ 7” x 12’. Just shows how much space the real thing took up. Iain

Thank you Ian. I think part of the interest in modelling the Stanier 4-6-0s is getting the subtle differences represented in some way in order to be a model of a particular loco. For example, 45735 and 45736 could be modelled by starting with a Rebuilt Patriot. Changing the cab for the deeper Jubilee one would be a good start. The smokebox saddle (admittedly almost invisible when deflectors are fitted) is another thing. Then match it with the correct tender. Then you’d need to consider whether various other details were correct and if not, how far would you be prepared to go? Black 5s? 842 completely different “identical” * locos. I make a fair few mistakes and even more shortcuts but I really enjoy this part of modelling. Iain *in the eyes of some maybe

I found that if I used the correct driving wheels I couldn’t even use the brake hangers but had to fabricate my own. Nice 46234 Baz. Cabside numbers need a bit of levelling up? Iain

Ahh, I have plans....... But not that big a plan - more fat fingers and poor proofreading Iain

True but even if I wired for DCC I would section it for fault and/or short finding. But it’s the £20k for chips that I don’t have....!

The front of the control panel: The two black roads bottom right are the loco lines on and off shed. I am fairly sure from research that the “onto shed” road was also an ecs line, crossing over to the down fast or slow via the scissors opposite the south end of the shed. Whether I use that function I don’t yet know. But I could. Now I just have to build the rest of it. Complete the mainline circuits first, fully wired and tested, before doing anything else. Iain

All the boards were wired to the board edges and then wiring down the side to the panel. It made for a lot easier work both in building and fault tracing. I combined tidying and covering the wiring: Judicious use of cable ties etc, and some 2”x1” (nominally - it’s more like 45x19mm) planed battens: Followed by some 6mm ply strips both to cover the wiring and provide a barrier to stop unintended plummeting of rolling stock to the floor. So this: looks a bit tidier. Iain

An important update if not a desperately interesting one. I now have a fully wired and functional storage yard at a basic level. 15 roads each able to accommodate 2 trains in theory, although road 8 will be for up locos to reverse back on shed. There are 2 full length kickback sidings in theory available from road 15 (up fast), probably 3 spurs off the other end of 15, and something as yet undecided off down fast road 1. All the point motors work as they should and each section can be switched in and out as required. I overdid the number of switched sections because many will never need to be used but I figured they might help with fault tracing anyway. I still have a couple of things to work out, as explained below. Inside the control panel, developing and almost finished (except for the spurs, kickbacks, final soldered connections and obviously the final Qs): The clear area at the top (the bottom when it hinges down and it is viewed from the correct side) is for fitting rotary switches so that I can switch any route to any controller. I think. I have to work out how to wire the diamonds in the centre of the two scissors crossings on the up and down slow/bidirectional roads. I fitted on-off switches as for all the other sections, but I know they need replacing to enable them to be switched not on or off, but to whichever controller is running a train across them: More to follow as I have reached the 10mb max Iain

Your work is a total inspiration Dave. Thank you for showing us. Iain

Yes I thought you would have it! I probably ought even to have guessed just how well-thumbed it would be. A bit like one or two Camden articles and books I have. I just picked this up on eBay, adding to a few more of the old Bradford Barton series that I have. I think it was the March 2020 BRM dvd, yes. Iain

Morning Graham, I assume you have this: Especially since I think the cover of the BRM dvd has a representation of the Maiden Lane very similar to that hauled by 46256 in the book. But if you haven’t got it, it’s yours. Iain

One of the things I liked about it was that it was planned and drawn at some stage but not built, a bit like the Standard 2-8-2. So I didn’t have to make too much up in my mind to build it as drawings existed. Powell 2-8-2 still half built. One day. Iain

After Gibbo’s excellent BR Standard contribution, I hope it’s appropriate to repost this might-have-been: Iain

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Afternoon Tony, and all on WW, my effort with the old RB a few years ago, which was not much more than weathering and Klear: I think this is currently with Graham for running on Shap, but I can’t remember! Best wishes, Iain

Glad to hear you have good cause for optimism, Gordon. Look forward to a chat sometime soon. Cress and I are thinking of you. ET is looking great! The running is very much as I have come to expect from your handiwork. best wishes, Iain

Storage yard control panel is taking shape: I reused the box from Camden Shed mk1, but made a new fascia. To be honest I thought that this would be a temporary version, which, if it worked well, I would replicate with a properly printed perspex/ acrylic one. But white-faced mdf and tape works quite well, I think. It might stay as it is. if it works. Iain

I’ve had a bit of a stocktake, and, not including a Duke, 2 Coronations, 3 Rebuilt Patriots, 3 Rebuilt Scots and a Jubilee which I had lined up for Comet underpinnings to replace the RTR chassis, I found this lot...... I’m wondering whether I have a clinical condition. Iain

Thanks all. I think, if I had 2 Princesses, they would be one of Mike’s, using whatever I could from the Proscale kit if anything, and a second one would be a new Hornby body and tender, with Comet frames. But both might have to wait a bit. I was supposed to start the control panel today. But temptation got the better of me and I got here in 2 hours: Sometimes a set of frames goes together so easily that with no tweaking of any sort, but just putting the rods on it will roll under its own weight down the 1 in 38 of the dive under. So really there is no excuse for not making this one into a 1A pet Black 5. Iain

Thanks. No not yet. I still have a Mike Edge aid-to-scratchbuilding one to build, and a Proscale one (which I understand is quite flawed but I haven’t worked out in what way yet). I don’t have the castings for the chimney and dome to complement the excellent-looking Mike Edge etch, nor am I yet confident with cutting and shaped sheet brass for the firebox, boiler and smokebox. I think most of the other fittings are available from Comet. Maybe there is a Jack Sprat solution here. Depends on whether the Proscale kit provides a decent chimney, dome, firebox, boiler and smokebox. I can imagine there being a Comet framed Hornby one somewhere in my future perhaps, though! Iain

Thanks, Graham. For the “rest of the world” i.e. Euston on the up lines and oop north on the down, I have studs and probe to operate the Peco point motors, and simple lever on-off switches for the roads and sections. I think it will be clear enough from whether each lever switch is up or down, whether a road or section is live or not. But I may be wrong. The scenic area control panel is a bit further away but all turnouts will be switched using tortoises, which use a lever switch, so I will likely use push button switches (the sort that stay on until you push them again) and indicator LEDs for the sections. Anyway, enough of me derailing your thread with my own gibberish. How about these instead, to brighten a dull day? Iain

I had assumed the approach to Shap was to accommodate the rest of the railway in some way, Graham. It looks so much better like that. I hope you can redesign around it. Those switches on the control panel for the loco stabling? I assume push for on and they don’t look as if they are illuminated? Recommended? I think I am going to build the control panel for the rest of the world for Camden next. Iain

46251 almost done. I have a few more small jobs to do before painting, plates, weathering, coal, crew, lamps - on second thoughts will I ever finish it?!? It has had most of what I detailed above but I have made a couple of my own alterations. I used the more recent Hornby rear frame extensions which basically fitted well but necessitate a flangeless trailing truck which I don’t yet have. So currently it is a Retford Princess Coronation 4-6-0. I made my own loco-tender electrical connection to use the tender pickups which are not bad on these, to be fair. They will definitely smooth out the running. It was a faff for sure, but I added front brakes which I think make a big difference to the appearance of mass at the front end, along with the much more representative Comet bogie. I used the remains of a Comet etch to provide the brake shoes to almost match the Hornby plastic ones. Which, strictly speaking are wrong anyway because they should be twin shoes - single shoes only applied to the 46220-46224 - but I wasn’t going to go quite that far. This was about making something reasonable from what I had available. Correct pattern front vacuum standpipe and one of the more recent Hornby front screw coupling (which is again flawed but it’s the least bad one I had) Tender has had the ledge removed and the 5 bracing plates each side added under the tank overhangs, which I am getting quite used to doing. It is a lot easier to do this mod on a black framed tender than on one where you are trying to retain the lined livery. Waiting for some vacuum release valves from Andrew at Wizard/Comet, which will be fitted to the frames in front of the cylinders. Then a bit of frame filling in at both front and rear plus added weight and the major work will be done ready to patch paint and finish off. It’s not as powerful as a leaded Comet one, nor is it as smooth and satisfying, but it cost me not a lot, it looks like a Coronation and it will pull 10-12 without any issues. Iain

Thanks very much indeed, Kier. I’m not sure how I have been quite so unobservant as to miss that page. best wishes, Iain

Hi Kier, Always an inspiration to see your work. Thank you for sharing. I’m building a different slice of North London at Camden, and a few years earlier, but one thing in common with Hornsey Broadway will be 501s. I don’t know whether you have any info on how you made yours, but I would be very grateful if you do. I don’t expect to get round to it for a while, mind you! Thanks in advance, Iain