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Empty boxes, labels, and oil capsules etc can all be big sellers especially for rare items - and boxes not just for model railways but also for diecast models such as Dinky and Corgi toys. And boxes in good condition can go for quite big money - there is a ready market for older boxes in good condition, sometimes worth far more than their contents. (first thing we ever sold on Ebay was an empty box - for £21).

this does make some sort of sense - you could have an immaculate, mint condition item without box and it'll be worth a certain amount. find a mint box to put it in and i suspect your expensive empty box will pay for itself

as an aside, there's the other extreme of someone listing an 'item' with photos - but what the seller tried to say is they were bidding on the photos of the items, not the items themselves! don't know how it panned out tho

just remembered i took some pics a few years back in the car park of the 'railway club' - originally the down side sinclairtown yard.

this stitched shot has the end of the up shed to the left and a wonderful old 'coachworks' shed. looking at the large version of the photo, the phone no. is only 4-digits long, which means it's original from at least the 60s.

i don't know if the corrugated shed in the 3rd, 4th, and 5th pics dates from goods yard time at all

Yes both points off one lever, electrically released presumably as there's no release lever.

 

White, as you say, means spare (ie unused)

 

 

 

I found this which might be interesting

http://www.s-r-s.org...0-kirkcaldy.pdf

 

It shows there was a temporary new box "Kirkcaldy" brought into use on 03/02/1980, I assume the new "box" was a relay room ?

thanks for the confirmation on the levers dave.

the diagram has been linked to before and the date noted - i'm wondering if your relay room idea has legs, as there certainly doesn't seem to be any knowledge of an actual box in the area after the kirkcaldy one.

For the loop, the main aspect would be used for moving forward to clear the crossover.

EK = Edinburgh Kirkcaldy locking (if you didn't know)

thanks for that dave, just looked at the 1980 diagram linked to previously and the 'draw ahead' aspect is noted as applying 'towards kirkcaldy yard'.

just noticed, in the photo of the class 27 posted above, there's a 2-lever ground frame in the left background. the 1980 diagram has this as a 4-lever frame, but at the time of the photo, the up goods yard had been lifted and the only line left was the former up 'loading bank' siding.

looks like there's a white lever - white levers are unused i think, so would there just be the one lever to control access onto/from the siding? also, as there is rodding going along to the left, would it be a case of main point and trap point being worked from the one remaining lever?

as a final question, when was kirkcaldy box abolished, with control going to edinburgh?

platform discussion as service from edinburgh waits to reverse at kirkcaldy, mid 80s

wow, those photos of the original buildings are amazing, thank you all so much for posting them.

as i said before, the various photos which have appeared on RMWeb are a veritable gold mine - in years of searching t'internet, i've never been able to find anything else approaching these.

here are the only pics i have - taken on the family instamatic, didn't really have much chance to be able to 'use up' film till i was older

first up, aberdeen-KX HST on 5/10/83 - this is one of the 'twin' dining sets i.e. TRUK+TRSB, but with a 'loose' (no set number) power car on the front. i don't know when this became the norm rather the exception. i got on this train and hanging out the window, noticed that the TS in front had a class 253 data panel, which presumably was to do with the rearrangement of sets in 1981/82?

rest of these pics, i don't have a date for them, though mid-80s probably

class 101 set 324 has arrived from waverley and already has the marker lights changed for the return journey

the 101 on its way back into the station. signal EK505 is the main signal on the down platform - can't quite make it out, but there is a position light signal just above the level of the nameplate - i believe it would only light its 2 white lights when a shunt move onto the loop (or perhaps on the down line past the crossover) was cleared

class 47 on an up train, former bay line was located behind the white fence

class 27 on a dundee train

like others in this post, many of my memories remain in my head - i just wish i had a photo for those snapshots in my brain!

these new houses would seem to be right on top of the line? : http://goo.gl/maps/0LS6Z

seems to be remnants of a bridge on invertiel road : http://goo.gl/maps/4d2Vi

the line going through the play park and turning left just before the trees

presumably the sea wall was the first part of this project, but at some point after completion, the end of the wall collapsed and has been since! (marked on OS maps)

Seafield Siding... I would be interested to hear what you come up with. The 25" maps I've seen on the NLS site show that it had already been lifted at the turn of the 20th century... but that it was put back in the 1940s to serve a drift mine on the coast. I had a vague idea that the siding was somehow part of the NB's ambitions for a West Fife coal port before they invested in Methil?

http://maps.nls.uk/os/25inch-2nd-and-later/view/?jp2=82881903#jp2=82881903&zoom=4&lat=6145&lon=10296&layers=BT

i'd not realised it existed decades before only to be lifted, then put back, then lifted again

it would make sense i suppose that even if not viable normally, it was to do with 'wartime' concerns. i don't know how 'censored' maps would have been at this time, but all that shows are old coal drifts, an old quarry and the long disused tyrie bleach works. yet the track has been laid all the way to the bleach works with a small kick-back to the drifts.

the coal merchant was the one which i presume had the house and garage on bennochy road

modern google streetview here: http://goo.gl/maps/IjJ9m

the house is obviously still there, although i wonder if it was just used as offices etc in later days of the merchant - i remember it having stickers in the windows for 'coalite' and such!

the modern bungalow on the left is on the site of the 'garage' - had black, foldy wooden doors on the front with a name painted above

to the right of the old house was a road access to the down goods yard, now a pathway to the car parks which cover the whole area.

incidentally, is bennochy bridge unusual at all? in that one side is straight but the other is 'kinked'? : http://goo.gl/maps/aU03i

note over the junction, 'carlyle house' offices where the factories once stood. further down (where the siding crossed the road) for many years was a car dealership showroom (morrison's BMW was the last), now the site of a care home, 'methven house'

edit - while i was on google, how's this for a rather forlorn sight? http://goo.gl/maps/dozuk

latterly a care home, various plans involving retaining some/none of the old building have come to naught and meantime it rots away....

brilliant pics bruce, those all blue 101s with the bouncy seats and view ahead were a staple when my mum took us to edinburgh for the day!

when were the phots taken? didn't realise the bay line had lasted so long.

edit - presumably mid-late 70s judging by the dominos on the 47?

fantastic pics and info everyone!

some links to RCAHMS canmore archive: http://canmore.rcahm...yword=kirkcaldy (general kirkcaldy search of online items only)

aerial view of station and surrounding area (bennochy road/carlyle road factories given as national linoleum or floorcloth works):

http://canmore.rcahm...ages/l/1256789/

area between bennochy bridge and harbour branch

http://canmore.rcahm...ages/l/1256790/

sinclairtown goods yards

http://canmore.rcahm...ages/l/1257649/

coal merchant in kirkcaldy down yard

http://canmore.rcahm...mages/l/595609/

link to barry's works, including station pics

http://canmore.rcahm...linoleum works/

re: the invertiel junction, the formation of the line to auchtertool is still very visible on the quarry road out of kirkcaldy as is the divergence from that line of the branch which came back towards the coast, under the main road and leading to the area of the large (partially collapsed) sea wall at seafield. might have been a line to the bleach works, i'd have to check some old maps

that is fantastic graham, thank you so much for going to the effort of posting it!

it's linked to in the harbour branch thread , but the 1980 resignalled diagram is here at s-r-s.org.uk

incedentally, i was meaning to start this thread myself, but as is the way have not had the time to do so, so thanks again graham for kicking it off.

there doesn't seem to be an awful lot of info/pics out there of KDY - i've seen more on here than there was available on the interweb generally, mostly thanks to lochty no more's posts (particulary with pete westwood's pics)

i'll be adding any pics/links i have when i get the chance, so bear with me.

as to anyone modelling kirkcaldy, i've a feeling there was someone planning it on the old RMWeb - the north end of the station and yard were known about, but there were questions about the south end - so much more info is available now than there was even a couple of years ago.

anyway, to be going on with, here's a pic i found by accident, a nice shot of the up side goods sheds:

B1 61243 at kirkcaldy, 31st. july 1960 on Flickr by Gerald T. Robinson 474

in the gap between the sheds, a line used to run through (across bennochy road) to the linoleum works beyond - i think all works in this area became part of barry, ostlere & shepherd.

for mike, not quite APT but nearly there!

http://www.fictitiousliveries.co.uk/photo.php?emu390067_IC.jpg

or if you want things other way round.....

http://www.fictitiousliveries.co.uk/photo.php?370008.jpg

innit dark down there!

looked for the first time, the advert just finished and an HST came through.

re: the 107 with working blinds, found another one

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alan1960/5587941083/

although only at one end! from the next pic in the set, the DMBS has it painted out as normal.

was actually looking for a different pic on flickr (i even commented on it) but d'you think i can find the ffing thing???(it's in one of my favourites too)

the increasing interest in althletics is affecting literacy.

Discus

red sky - status quo

p.35 of the harris mk2 book has 2 pics in 1964 - FKs E13366 in maroon and S13389 in green, both with flashes present

there may be an instruction from the carriage standards committee minutes in the parkin mk1 supplement whichdetails the 'overall' use of the flashes

that's a cracker right enough jamie.

just occured to me how different liveries look more different on the met-camms, before realising it's because there's no roofline/dome - the front end is all end!

don't think i've seen the combination of Inter-City and Scotrail before!

found another pic tonight of this variation

mk2e TSOs at Carlisle 26-9-84 at john turner's 53A Models on Flickr

thanks for that post bomag, certainly shows things are never as straightforward as they seem

made me wonder as to why there were all these different catering cars - was it a case of the mk1 RBRs would be on the way out and the mk3 RFMs not available immediately, so they used whatever mk2 ones were otherwise unused and available?

a little bit before your era dave, but saw this tonight - note the rarely-used siding far left (leading into a double-slip!) you could leave yours in so it's there if you need it! notice the 08 in the far RH siding too

waverley 29-6-60 by ron fisher on Flickr

the mk1 catering vehicles would be an RBR which had both kitchen and buffet provision

the mk3 catering vehicles were the RFM, again with kitchen and buffet provision - these were built as RUB, or converted from loco-hauled FO/former HST TRUKs

both mk2 and mk3 trains would seem to have followed the standard formation, as suzie says DBSO+6TSO+catering+2FO+loco

don't know if it was the site suzie was referring to, but thejunction.org.uk had coach sets listed - seems to be closed now, but using the 'wayback machine' have found a page that shows some 'one' cl.90+mk3 sets as well as archived anglia mk2 sets (albeit with cl.90s as well)

wayback link

EDIT: looked at an earlier capture including cl.86 haulage

i think all 4 discs were capable of being folded up or down, just they tended to be folded down so the marker lights were obscured. you're right though that it's rare to see and would make an interesting variation!

also notable is how dim the headlights are - they were a fair bit brighter than markers lights (lucas car headlights, i believe?), yet nowhere near the searing brightness of the lights on a lot models (or today's real trains for that matter).