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into the valley - the skids

now, my interests lie firmly in BR 70s/80s, but i love this project.

such an unusual prototype built from scratch with such an eye to detail and some cunning solutions to problems along the way.

i have no idea about the prototype, but i can just imagine this rattling and shoogling along the line, the latest of these 'new-fangeled' modern contraptions!

lovely stuff

i remembered this, mainly due to the brake lever arrangement (i'm not an expert, can you tell? )

thread was on t'other RMWeb:

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17615&start=0&hilit=LNER+20T+hopper

otherwise they might

jet (my love) - nat king cole

always nice to see pics of the TRUK/TRSB sets

the 1980 pics show the TRSB (buffet-bar/ later buffet)in the middle of the second-class portion, which made sense to me - most buffet customers would be from 2nd class, just means there's a max of 2 coaches work through to get your 'maxpax'! the TRUK (restaurant) as always, was next to the 1st class - was there an 'at-seat' service for 1st class, with the unclassed seating used for 2nd class customers? also there is a TS at the end, TGS not yet available.

i think the TRUK respresented the last true BR restaurant/kitchen car? (no buffet provision)

the 1981 pic shows the later layout - both catering cars together, saloon to saloon - if you were in the last TS (later TGS) it was quite a trek to the buffet!

there were more sets which had the single TRUB (3 saloon windows, buffet and restaurant provision), mainly due to the downturn in full-meal provision, obviously tied in with reduced staff overheads.

i would have thought that many of the TRUK vehicles have spent longer in service in modified form than in their original role - many have been converted to LH RFMs, royals and departmental vehicles

great pics all, i just wish i'd been able to take more photos myself (late70s-mid 80s was my era) - i do have some but will have to rake them out and scan them, unfortuneately many remembered images are in my head only!

yellow river - christie

with ref. to hutchinson's flour mills, i remembered photos i'd seen on RCAHMS while researching the kirkcaldy harbour railway for another topic.

hutchinson's wagon: https://canmore.org.uk/collection/610162

L.G.W. wagon: https://canmore.org.uk/collection/610163

both from a john hume collection dated october 1967

EDIT 19/08/2016: updated links to the photos

it's been reported that the beckhams are expecting their 4th child

although with david's past history, victoria's not sure that it's hers

except when she

'all i want for xmas is a dukla prague away kit' - half man half biscuit

there are a couple of pics in the parkin book of choc/cream coaches with the 'pre-production' B4s, i.e. do not have the friction dampers on the wheelsets.

the coaches are BCK W21188 (p.62) and FO W3085 (p.83), coaches K and G respectively of what seems to be the same train in august 1962.

the coaches have nameboards, but they are reversed (which according to the caption, happened when a coaching stock roster involved working a non-named service or a different route)

the only other bogie of the train that can be seen, is not a B4 (can't quite make it out)

incedentally there's a colour pic of maroon FO M3000 on p.49, taken in 1968. it has similar B4 bogies, without the friction dampers, suggesting a re-bogie with one of these earlier types?

finally it mentions in the text on p.37 "a short production batch was put into service beneath the 'bristolian' and the 'red dragon'" and once it was "clear the 150,000 mile acceptable ride target would be met....it was announced that from 1963 this would be the standard (bogie) for all BR coaches."

i'd heard that differently - that as the DP2 project came to pass, it was easier and cheaper to add one more deltic bodyshell to the existing production run, as opposed to building an entirely new 'one-off' loco.

the way i read it, DP2 only looked like a deltic as this was the quickest, cheapest way to get the new gubbins into a main-line capable loco.

the thing that puzzles me, is that DP2 ran so well, covering many miles as expected, often under deltic loadings and by all accounts was very successful - so why did they then fill it full of extra electronic and other equipment, which ultimately either didn't work as well as expected or wasn't used at all?

a common opinion seems to be if BR had ordered 50 DP2s (necessarily with flat-front cabs) they wouldn't have had as much bother as they did with the 50s (and of course there wouldn't be as much stuff to remove on refurbishment!)

for fatneck, there's a 1:2500 OS map dated 1968-71 at old-maps.co.uk

shows the coal hoppers and the various sidings north of the station

try co-ordinates 402476 and 396078, the map covers most of the station area, just zoom in to decipher the track

there are earlier maps, but are mostly 1:10560, so not so much detail

can't help with pics, sorry

sorry it's taken me to get back to this, brian

AFAIK it's standard rail blue, just with a matt/semi-matt finish. i think where it looks darker, it may be simply due to the particular print/slide emulsion used? i'm sure i've read somewhere that the fact there's no yellow ends (hence more blue) can make the blue seem 'strange'. also, the way a matt finish reflects the light may have an effect on colour perception?

was looking through the old RMWeb tonight and stumbled upon dibber25's 'DMU archive pics' thread:

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=21330

there's another pic of an all-blue 128 (as well as david's pic shown above!)

hope this helps

Now is that rail blue or this "other" shade that only seems to show in pictures

i've seen a few pics of units in 'early' blue like this and it seems it was a matt finish rail blue - possibly due to new spraying techniques? just wondering if this finish wasn't as durable, being superceded by 'normal' rail blue. looks the same type of finish as was applied to new VEPs?

units in this matt blue also seem to have the small arrows and numbers.

whatever livery you choose brian, i'm sure it'll be up to your usual standard - i hesitate to use the word 'models' as they are so realistic.

cracking stuff!

love this photie for the blue enamel station signage still present - not just 'waiting room', but 'ladies' waiting room' too!

i suspect that, even in 1984, there were still a lot of the old 'BRITISH RAILWAYS'-era signs around the network?

as regards the mannie clearing the platform, i think you have discovered a practical use for any model station figures who have accidentally lost their feet through too much/strong glue usage!

cracking pics, as usual

a smashing photo of 123 at callander, undated, but perhaps 1960s?

shows the blue lamps with 123 on the side, but on standard lamp-irons.(also shows the 'thistle' buffers!)

http://www.phantasrail.co.uk/Gold/Gold0329t.JPG

a rather interesting article in itself, 'Frank Jones (sometime PR man, Manchester London Road and Glasgow)' at:

http://www.steamindex.com/library/frank.htm

quote : "One of the obscure, but delightful, episodes which happened on the Scottish Region was the restoration and running of several preserved pre-grouping locomotives. There was an extensive correspondence between my father and Mr Hogg the archivist in Edinburgh concerning this locomotive which led to a slender brochure printed by McCorquodale to mark a run on 18 March 1958 from Perth to Edinburgh. The cover is reproduced below: ".

http://www.steamindex.com/media/cr123.jpg

shows the lamps on the cab-side lamp-irons

Hornby used to do a model of one like the little yellow one and there's a pic of one in marsden's 'rolling stock recognition 3 : departmental stock' (which i can't find at the mo' to check the info)

rain - status quo

terrible spell of rain we've been having lately.......

lovely clips there bruce

i was distracted by the first couple of trains though - they looked like TSO/SK but with one of the windows blanked/painted out - unless they were SK and someone had the blind down?

good info there too, like the BSO(T)s, the engineer's saloon, mk1s still on B1 bogies

and they even washed the ballast for the worthies on the 'royal scotsman'!

top stuff

i've been looking for phots of the southbound end of dundee, found them on RAILSCOT, doh!

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=5942

early 80s, the 47 is about to take the line for the northbound platform 4

the bay lines feed into the scissors pointwork on the left.

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=13333

a 1973 view, but the same thing, also showing plenty of shunt signals

you forgot kirkcaldy for platform 18!

i just realised that although 10/11 and 19/1 were single platforms, the trains would be 11 or 19 northbound, 10 or 1 southbound?

also remembering 14 for mk3 comfort in 47 mins or 12/13 for edin-glas central 'via shotts' in a rickety 101/107 for god-knows-how-long!

i suppose, depending on the frequency the plat.17 mid road was used on a last-one-in/next-one-out basis? would save a station pilot working anyway

and of course plats. 20/21 away over there, behind the wall, accessible only by loads of steps up/long walk/loads of steps down, particularly the 'holiday' trains of mk1 corridor stock to scarborough etc. bad enough normally, but particularily with a family and all your luggage in tow!

happy days!

cracking vid bruce! don't worry about the quality, they look fine to me!

as has been said, the DMUs were certainly pick'n'mix weren't they?

for waverley west, i seem to remember if you wanted a single-class set, the most likely would be a 101, maybe a 107?

120s and 104s would seem to have been mixed in with whatever was going.

mind you, the end of the vid posted shows a 3-car 116 on the ECML, so who are we to say what's right or wrong? hahaha

reap the wild wind - ultravox