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Hello everyone Bear with me today...I will do my best to answer asap but my 99.5 year old mother-in-law has had the temerity to have medical emergency! I may get called away. Brian

Thanks Andy Note to everyone: The Guide can be found by clicking the relevant category in the What is the running order of categories for the 2019 Poll? above. Brian (on behalf of The 00 Wishlist Poll Team)

Hello Paul I am querying with Andy as to what has happened to The Guide. Bear with me. As noted in the Advance Notice below: Extract Additionally – in response to requests – we have moved the ‘cut-off date’ to 1 January 2005 but please bear in mind that many items now listed will be ‘perfectly adequate’ in current model form and you should only vote if you would realistically wish to buy ‘an improved model’. 2. Locos: SR & Constituents The following are new entries this year (because they now fall within our 1 January 2005 cut-off): · SR Q1 0-6-0 (33001-33040) · SR West Country/Battle of Britain 4-6-2 – Air Smooth (34001-34110) · SR Merchant Navy 4-6-2 – Rebuilt (35001-35030) Brian (on behalf of The 00 Wishlist Poll Team)

Hello Compound2632 Darnit! The 00 Wishlist Poll Team had that on our 2020 Agenda! Brian (on behalf of The 00 Wishlist Poll Team)

Hello again Roger I have just been speaking with Peter Smith and he has given me the sad news that Tony Richardson - G.A. Richardson, the well-known S&D photographer who supplied many of the photos for Peter's book above - has sadly passed away. Fortunately, Tony was able to see the book in good time. For the moment, I don't know what will happen to all his photos but Peter will keep me informed. All the best Brian

Hello Roger Good to see you and the layout at Milton Keynes today. I was hoping that my good friend, Glen Woods, would be able to see you, but he had to cancel his trip up here due to an arm problem. He'll catch up with you one day as I know he is very keen to see the layout. All the best Brian

Hello everyone Congratulations to Accurascale on the announcement of the JSA/VTG Steel Carriers - we wish them every success with the project. The announcement comes too late for us to delete from The 00 Wishlist Poll 2019 I'm sorry to say. We will log the item with our results for the forthcoming year. They were Middle Polling in the Results 2018. Brian (on behalf of The 00 Wishlist Poll Team)

Hello everyone Before anyone asks, Andy will be inserting a direct link to The 00 Wishlist Poll 2019 in the above posting as soon as we 'go live' on Monday. Brian (on behalf of The 00 Wishlist Poll Team)

Hello everyone Many thanks to all who have downloaded the posters - much appreciated! I am now asking The Mods to 'lock off' this thread. Please see: Q&A - The 00 Wishlist Poll 2019 if you wish to make any further comments. Mods: Grateful if this thread could be 'locked off' when you have time. Thanks. Brian (on behalf of The 00 Wishlist Poll Team)

Hello everyone We will soon be 'locking off' this thread as we will take up any further queries in the usual new thread at this time of the year - Q&A The 00 Wishlist Poll 2019 - which will be appearing soon. Don't forget that we 'go live' around 0900 Monday 14 October. In the meantime, I thought you might like to see the clean, clear and fresh look that Andy York has kindly been able to bring to the voting pages with some very hard work on his part. Thanks Andy! Brian (on behalf of The 00 Wishlist Poll Team)

Q&A – The 00 Wishlist Poll 2019 The 00 Poll Team is delighted to say that The 00 Wishlist Poll 2019 will run from about 0900 Monday 14 October to midnight on Saturday 2 November. We thought you might like to have some questions answered before you take part. What is the purpose of The Poll? To provide railway modellers and collectors with an easy and informed way of indicating to manufacturers and commissioners of 00 ready-to-run models which models they would realistically buy if made at some time in the future from all-new tooling (excluding models announced or made since 1 January 2005). The ‘firm cut-off date and all new tooling’ basis gives us an agreed date of items for listing and precludes us making ‘quality judgments’. If voters feel that any pre-2005 model is fine – and many are – there is no need to vote for them. We can’t expect makers to scrap their tooling and make a totally new model that might only be marginally better! Who has been involved in putting The Poll and Guide together? The 9-man Poll Team has thoroughly reviewed every item in The Poll and every word and link of The Guide. For comments and help with various matters, we would like to thank Nick Evans. Our thanks also to The Bluebell Railway Archive for some links to photos (via Team member, Glen Woods). Our grateful thanks also go to Andy York of RMweb for yet again preparing the computerised voting aspects. Andy neither has direct input to, nor ‘influence’ on, the actual content, but there wouldn’t be a Poll without him! Are you ‘affiliated’ to any manufacturer or do you get paid? No! The 9-man Poll Team is totally independent, but we are most grateful for the support with space and publicity we receive from RMweb as well as numerous magazines, clubs and retailers. What’s new for The 00 Wishlist Poll 2019? We have deleted the Industrial and Underground categories to give us more space for ‘core content’ and we now list many more items that voters have requested. We have also introduced a new Category 21 – Your Suggestions for Re-makes of Post-2005 00 Models. The ‘Top 3’ of each type will be reported in the Results. They will then be listed in the 2020 Poll – subject to them polling more votes than the overall-lowest voted item of 2019. And…we have a fresh new look for the voting pages! Which companies/organisations do you see as manufacturers or commissioners of models? Accurascale, Bachmann, BRM, C Rail Intermodal, Cavalex Models, Dapol, Drax Power Station, Heljan, Flangeway, Hattons, Hornby, Hornby Magazine, Ian Allan, Invicta, Kernow Model Centre, KR Models, Model Rail, National Railway Museum, Olivia’s Trains, Oxford Rail, Peco, RMweb, Rail Exclusives, Rail Express Modeller, Rails of Sheffield, Rapido, Real Track, RevolutioN Trains (00 models), STEAM Museum (Swindon) and TMC. What is included in or specifically excluded from The Poll? Our ‘core content’ is a wide selection of locos and rolling stock of British Railways, its predecessors and successors. Many items of a ‘heritage/preserved’ nature are included by default. We could easily show over 30,000 items – there are over 450 types of GWR & Constituents coaches and 250 LMS wagons – so we have to ‘draw a line’ somewhere! We specifically exclude any item that has been announced for production from all new tooling or actually produced from all new tooling since 1 January 2005. Other examples excluded are: Channel Tunnel (apart from Eurostar); industrial, dock and military systems; airport inter-terminal systems; broad and narrow gauge; ‘Thomas the Tank’; and tram, tram-train, metro and underground systems. Additionally, we exclude brand new ‘full size’ locos, rolling stock, DMUs or EMUs unless they are at least on test in the UK. What is the running order of categories for the 2019 Poll? Each category below is a hyperlink to the relevant Guide page. 1 Locos: GWR & Constituents 2 Locos: SR & Constituents 3 Locos: LMS & Constituents 4 Locos: LNER & Constituents 5 Locos: BR Standard, WD & USATC 6 Locos: Gas Turbine, Diesel & Electric 7 Railbuses, Railcars & DMUs 8 EMUs 9 Coaches: GWR & Constituents 10 Coaches: SR & Constituents 11 Coaches: LMS & Constituents 12 Coaches: LNER & Constituents 13 Coaches: BR & Successors + Pullman Cars 14 Coaching Stock: Non-passenger-carrying 15 Freight Stock: Pre-1923 RCH & GWR + Pre-Grouping Railway Company Designs 16 Freight Stock: 1923-1947 Big Four Designs & Others inc some BR Descendants 17 Freight Stock: 1948-1963 18 Freight Stock: 1964-Current 19 General Railway Service Stock: Departmental (Steam Era) 20 General Railway Service Stock: On-Track Plant (Post-Steam Era) 21 Your Suggestions for Re-makes of Post-2005 00 Models We now have four freight categories instead of three. Freight Stock: Pre-1923 and Freight Stock: 1923-1947 cover not only designs up to 1947 but also vehicles perpetuated to those or very similar designs by BR. So, if you want freight stock for the main BR steam era, please look at these before the 1948-1963 category. General Railway Service Stock has been split to more accurately reflect ‘old’ and ‘modern’ stock. What will voters find when they first ‘click’ into the The Poll? Voters will be taken to the opening category, it may be heplpful to read the Jargon Buster if you are unfamiliar with any nomenclature. You will then find the 21 voting categories. If you are only interested in, say, EMUs, all you need do is go to that category, click the items you would realistically wish to buy in the future, scroll to the end and hit ‘submit’. If you are an experienced modeller who knows what you want, you can ‘dive straight in’ via the links. However, whilst there is no actual need to access The Guide, we strongly urge you to do so, as we give you a summary of all the items in each category. You will be able to get an overall feel for what you want to vote for before going into the voting section – especially the Freight Stock categories. The Poll Team has created The Guide in the same running order as you will find it in the voting categories. Each item has had some text written about it to help you put it in context. It is not designed as a ‘definitive history’. Where possible, we have provided ‘links’ to further detail – but these should only be treated as a ‘general reference’. Locos and rolling stock often changed in appearance slightly over the years. All ‘links’ have been given in good faith and were working at the time of publication but we leave it to the discretion of voters whether they click on any. We cannot take responsibility for the information on those links or any subsequent impact on pollsters’ computers. The Guide is particularly valuable if you are a less-experienced modeller who doesn’t know – for example – the build-dates of the various BR Mk1 catering vehicles, or whether one particular 0-6-0 loco will suit your needs better than others. As noted above, The Guide is presented in exactly the same order as the votable items; you can print it out and use it as ‘a pre-planner’. Why do you specify BR running numbers? Does this mean we can’t express a Pre-Grouping wish? The addition of BR running numbers was made some years ago at the request of voters and we have had notes of appreciation for that. They are there simply to assist identification. It is impossible for us to take into account the vast array of variations within classes over the years. The manufacturers will ‘get as much as they can’ from any model via the use of slip tools and so on. It seems to make commercial sense for them to produce models which span a number of decades and which appeal to a wide audience. Do you say if kits are available? We found that it takes an inordinate amount of time to keep that information up to date, so we haven’t since 2018. However, you will find a link in each category to take you to kit makers and other suppliers. This is – after all – a Poll for ready-to-run items! Can voters vote for livery options? We investigated the possibility, but the subject is so vast that it is impractical for us. However, companies such as Kernow, Oxford Rail and RevolutioN Trains announce models and seek customer views on liveries. Is there any limit to what voters can vote for? You can vote for whatever you would realistically wish to buy at any time in the future. Please note that The Team reserves the right to delete without query any entry that it feels is not based on that premise. Please note: Only one entry per voter is permitted. Do you ask voters for email addresses to enter The Poll? No. Entry in The 00 Poll will not generate any email correspondence whatsoever. We will only contact you in response to valid queries as below. Can voters print out what they have voted for? Yes, but please note that you will get the entire list including what you haven’t voted for. We’re sorry but we are unable to change that. A way round is to ‘pre-plan’ your voting: · Go to The Guide · Print out the summaries of the categories you want to vote in · Highlight the items you want to vote for · Use this to help ensure you don’t miss anything when you actually vote. What if voters have any technical difficulties while voting? Please email Andy York: info@rmweb.co.uk. What if voters have: difficulty accessing The Guide; have comments on it; have any suggestions for 2020; or need impartial help or advice? Please email The 00 Poll Team: thepollteam@gmail.com. An acknowledgment will normally be sent within 24 hours, but a full answer might take a few days. We will also answer queries on RMweb. When will the results be published? We aim to publish the results by early November. Many printed magazines will carry an abridged summary. Does The Poll Team expect ‘the top items’ to be made? We would ask voters to appreciate that manufacturers lay plans anything up to three years or more in advance and have to continually balance requests against their current models and proposed portfolios – as well as those of their competitors. To us, it’s a hobby; to them, it’s a commercial decision. We make no claim that models have been or will be made specifically as a result of The Poll. The makers and commissioners certainly take other market research data into account and do not rely on our results alone. New announcements have been fairly slow in coming, but you may find it interesting to see how those 00 models announced since the 2018 Poll fared up to early October 2019 below – notice the bias towards the upper half of The Poll content. · 3 Top 50 · 6 High Polling (exc Top 50) · 6 Middle Polling (and two of these were higher than the overall half-way mark) · 3 Low Polling We hope you enjoy taking part in The 00 Wishlist Poll 2019! We are hoping to get a record number of voters this year, but we can’t do that without your help. Please drop an email about The Poll to your friends – they might vote for the items you want! Thanks! The Poll Team Neil Burgess, Robert Carroll, Chris Knowles-Thomas, John Lewis, Jeff Lynn, Brian Macdermott, Nick Stanbury, Ian Taylor and Glen Woods Link to OO Wishlist Poll 2019 2. Poll A4 Poster 2019.pdf3. Poll A5 Mini-poster 2019.pdf

Hello Jonny Yes, indeed. Longworth gives it as ex-Diag.496A which was a First. He gives it as being downgraded in June 1954 (along with 12 others). Brian

Hello Jonny Firstly, many thanks for your thread! The Hugh Longworth book gives that coach as a Diag.54A SECR 'Continental' Third. I will try to find out what it might have been doing there. Brian

Hello Phil Below is a repeat of what I have just posted to the Hattons Genesis thread. Brian (on behalf of The 00 Wishlist Poll Team) ________________________________________________ As noted earlier in a reply to Nearholmer – which is about 1.37 million postings back in this thread now () – the 00 Wishlist Poll Team was looking into the content of the Hattons announcement and has now had a chance to evaluate it. Within the 00 Poll, we list a number of 4- & 6-wheel carriage types but – having looked at the Hattons images – we aren’t able to delete any of them for 2020 (and it would have been too late for 2019 anyway as we ‘go live’ on Monday 14 October. See RMweb banner headline at top of the page). As a number of contributors have said, these are generic models showing what might be called ‘traditional British panelling’. We have looked at them from the perspective of ‘if it looks like a duck, it probably is a duck’ but we can’t realistically delete any item because of the numerous differences compared with our listings. That is not designed to take any glory away from Hattons. We congratulate them on what is looking to be a very good idea and we wish them every success with the project…which is both bold and adventurous to say the least. A number of contributors have raised the topic of a Full Brake and Hattons are to be commended for having listened attentively. We know of some LMS non-passenger-carrying vehicles (NPCCS) which had a 10ft 6in + 10ft 6in wheelbase, so would concur that it would be welcomed for Hattons to either consider a specific vehicle or perhaps offer the underframe as a separate item. At least four of the 9-man 00 Poll Team will be buying some of the items from the wide range. Brian (on behalf of The 00 Wishlist Poll Team)

Hello everyone As noted earlier in a reply to Nearholmer – which is about 1.37 million postings back in this thread now () – the 00 Wishlist Poll Team was looking into the content of the Hattons announcement and has now had a chance to evaluate it. Within the 00 Poll, we list a number of 4- & 6-wheel carriage types but – having looked at the Hattons images – we aren’t able to delete any of them for 2020 (and it would have been too late for 2019 anyway as we ‘go live’ on Monday 14 October. See RMweb banner headline at top of the page). As a number of contributors have said, these are generic models showing what might be called ‘traditional British panelling’. We have looked at them from the perspective of ‘if it looks like a duck, it probably is a duck’ but we can’t realistically delete any item because of the numerous differences compared with our listings. That is not designed to take any glory away from Hattons. We congratulate them on what is looking to be a very good idea and we wish them every success with the project…which is both bold and adventurous to say the least. A number of contributors have raised the topic of a Full Brake and Hattons are to be commended for having listened attentively. We know of some LMS non-passenger-carrying vehicles (NPCCS) which had a 10ft 6in + 10ft 6in wheelbase, so would concur that it would be welcomed for Hattons to either consider a specific vehicle or perhaps offer the underframe as a separate item. At least four of the 9-man 00 Poll Team will be buying some of the items from the wide range. Brian (on behalf of The 00 Wishlist Poll Team)

Hello Nearholmer The 00 Wishlist Poll Team is! Brian (on behalf of The 00 Wishlist Poll Team)

Hello Tony May I offer a a different slant to the word 'demanded' in your post? The obvious parts of The Poll are the voting and results. What is not so obvious is that The Poll Team spends many weeks compiling and refreshing the accompanying Guide so that those who don't have deep knowledge of the prototype might get a feel for how locos and rolling stock - be they 'old' or 'modern' - fit together in chronological context. Additionally, although there may be a few people on various social media platforms who 'scream their demands', our experience is that the greater overall majority of voters are 'decent folk' who are grateful for this annual method of presenting their views in an orderly, professional manner. I have appended below some extracts from the Q&A which should explain matters. Note that the purpose of The Poll is for modellers and collectors. It states that they are models they would realistically wish to buy. Hope that helps. Brian (on behalf of The 00 Wishlist Poll Team) EXTRACTS FROM THE 00 WISHLIST POLL Q&A (Full details will appear in the RMweb banner headline later this week) What is the purpose of The Poll? To provide railway modellers and collectors with an easy and informed way of indicating to manufacturers and commissioners of 00 ready-to-run models which models they would realistically buy if made at some time in the future from all-new tooling (excluding models announced or made since 1 January 2005). The ‘firm cut-off date and all new tooling’ basis gives us an agreed date of items for listing and precludes us making ‘quality judgments’. If voters feel that any pre-2005 model is fine – and many are – there is no need to vote for them. We can’t expect makers to scrap their tooling and make a totally new model that might only be marginally better! Does The Poll Team expect ‘the top items’ to be made? We would ask voters to appreciate that manufacturers lay plans anything up to three years or more in advance and have to continually balance requests against their current models and proposed portfolios – as well as those of their competitors. To us, it’s a hobby; to them, it’s a commercial decision.

Hello Mick The 'Hush Hush' has been High Polling since 2013 and made it into The Top 50 items in 2018. It was the most-wanted LNER loco. It finished in overall position equal 19. Sister loco No.60700 has been Middle Polling up to 2017. In 2018, it landed in the High Polling segment. The 00 Wishlist Poll 2019 goes live on Monday 14 October - details will be found up in the RMweb banner headline later this week. Brian (on behalf of The 00 Wishlist Poll Team)

Hello everyone A note about new Category 21 Your Suggestions for Re-makes of Post-2005 00 Models as you will need to undertake some preparation in advance to get the best out of it. I'd be grateful if you don't discuss your suggestions here - please wait and make them in the Category when we go live. If we feel that anyone is 'trying to influence' voting in advance, we will ask the Mods to remove any offending posting - we hope you understand. The category – which is ‘experimental’ for this year – has three boxes wherein you may only enter one clearly-described 00 item in each box – maximum six words each. Your suggestions will only be accepted if: · You state the maker first · You keep within six words (wheel arrangements such as 2-6-4T count as one word) · Your description is clear Sample fictitious entries are as below: Steam, Diesel or Electric Loco Hornbach LNER Class L99 2-6-4T Passenger-carrying rolling stock (PCCS), DMU or EMU Daphorn GWR Short Restaurant Car Non-passenger-carrying Rolling Stock (NPCCS), Freight Stock or General Railway Service Stock Bachpol 4-wheel Long Wheelbase Tube Wagon Brian (on behalf of The 00 Wishlist Poll Team)

Hello Phil I can say quite categorically that the (slow) increase in voters is entirely down to sheer hard graft by all those involved in running this Poll. We may all be 'nice guys'...but don't confuse that with 'born yesterday'. Brian

Thanks both Consider it on the 2020 Agenda. Brian (on behalf of The 00 Wishlist Poll Team)

Hello again Mike I not a 'wagon expert', but the bogies on at least some (all?) of the wagons look like those of the GWR Gane A. One I can see - No.60836 at about 14 mins - that ties up with detail in the Atkins et al book, A History of GWR Goods Wagons. Brian

Hello Mike It has gone on the Agenda and we have already had a number of emails flying back and forth between us all. We do our best to 'balance' items across the railways/regions and 'steam era' with 'modern era'. We have listed the 'modern' Cowans Sheldon Twin Jib for many years, so this TRM will fit nicely. Brian (on behalf of The 00 Wishlist Poll Team)

Hello Mike Thanks for posting the video...which enabled me to track back and find this earlier thread on RMweb: https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/124509-track-laying-crane-drawings-and-details/ Methinks that Track Laying Crane needs to go on the Agenda for The 00 Wishlist Poll 2020! If I had seen the PWM announcement a few days earlier, I'm fairly confident we could have filled the resultant gap with it. Brian (partly with my 00 Wishlist Poll Team hat on)

Hello everyone May I say a big thank you to all those who have so far downloaded the Poll posters in the OP? Your 00 Poll Team has worked really hard to list all the items that you have requested over the years. We do not have any advertising budget nor 'financial support' from anyone or any company. The only way we can 'get out there' is with your valued help. If I can 'nudge you into action' to print out the posters and take copies to your local club and model shop, you will be helping us to reach the widest possible audience - across the world - to get the broadest range of voters. Their votes might well help your votes! The number of voters has risen slowly but steadily over the years - a record turnout of over 3000 can only be achieved with your help. The more voters we have, the better differentiation between the items. And don't forget, you can now suggest re-makes of items made since 2005 too. Thanks for listening! Brian (on behalf of The 00 Wishlist Poll Team)