ChrisN

Hee hee.....

 

All these "atmospheric" suggestions sound wonderful. Cows mooing at the top of the field as a Brit hurtles by with its fleet of carriages. The dimmed-down halogen lamp shines like the full moon as Jeff scurries around in the gloom trying to find which bl**dy switch is which before "The Great 1966 Kirkby Luneside Slleping Car disaster" takes place!!

 

Meanwhile, in true Bodgit fashion, the pre-dawn shunter works in the yard and the paperboy takes time - before his round - to spot 70040....before she derails!

 

Sorry, couldn't resist. No doubt Ali and Mankini Man would be in there too....

 

Jeff

Jeff,

When my sister lived in Plymton opposite the now disappeared marshalling yard I went to sleep to the sound of an 08 shunting late into the night.

I would keep away from the cows though as I assume that they would be lower down and you are right, there would be long correspondence about the type and colour.  Never seen a cow up a mountain but I suppose there must be a first time.

Jason,

I think your photos show your work at its best.  Very good.  I am sure with these that you can pull one up and explain what you mean.

Have a good show.

Thanks Chris. A timely observation. I can't remember what the situation was in the 60s/70s, though I did walk up there in the 70s.

 

It's quite tricky showing a rendition of indented grass on a model - hence why I tried a bit of a colour change.

 

I'll redouble my efforts!

 

Jeff

Jeff,

Colour change will be fine, just not down to the rock.  Darker green rather than lighter?  Bit of brown?

(If you went up Snowden it was a rocky track in the 70s.  Now it is a concreted highway with steps!  Well, depending on which route you take.)

Quite right - plenty of misleading (sheep) tracks in the Lakes - as we found out last weekend. I didn't mind doing a bit of very slidy scree climbing as a result, but it terrified the whits out of my friend! And then we arrived at the "proper" path - a veritable motorway by comparison!

 

As for the sheep paths. I TRIED to infer these using different colour on the Fell. However, it doesn't really work too well, so a little surgery on the fell-tops will be necessary to gouge out some well-worn tracks. Associated rubble, too.

 

Jeff

Jeff,

You probably know this but just a reminder.  When I went walking in the Peaks in 1976 the paths were worn grass but still grass.  When I was back there in 82 they had been worn down to the bare rock underneath.  I would think that paths in the 60s would be mainly worn grass as the number of walkers would have been fewer.

So do London Road Models for LNWR six wheel carriages. http://www.scalefour.org/LondonRoadModels/carriages/lnwr-carriages/

LNWR,

Sorry must have missed this post.  Thank you.  I will have a look at all of the suggestions eventually.

Also Branchlines will sell you their MR 6wheeled chassis seperately too. The first bit of etched brass soldering I did was on one of these, and apart from the middle wheelset holder needing to be adjusted to suit 00 back to backs (or was it the old wheelsets i used?) it went together so easily. I intend to use them for other 6 wheelers when I get round to returning to carriage works.....

 

Get round quite tight curves too, and are clemys as well, lovely to watch the axleguards moving around. The Slaters ones work quite nicely too, but not sure you can get them seperately.

 

Andy g

Andy,

Thanks.  I have bought a clemenson from Brassmasters.  It is sitting in a drawer waiting for me to finish off a Shire Scenes Holden 4 wheeler and the new GWR Shire Scenes brake van which was given me to try out before it went on release.  Oops!  It will get done but these are my first ventures into brass and I am not sure I am up to soldering yet, and plastic is so much easier.

if you can't rent-a-mob, Jeff, it seems there's nothing stopping you having a lone individual on the station or out on the road listening to sixties music so long as KL has some sort of reception.

 

I've done a spot of checking. Radio Luxembourg, 1933 to 1992, though I remember tuning into R. Luxembourg was a hit and miss affair.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Luxembourg_%28English%29

 

Radio Caroline started in 1964.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Caroline

 

Not necessarily just reminiscing but look on it as an opportunity to (re)experience the music of a bygone culture while you play trains model in the bunker.

 

Polly Pick of the Pops

I know you could receive Caroline in London, but could you receive it north of Watford?  Or did they have a Northern Caroline?  Either way, how far is KL from the coast and where were the Prirates parked in the northern waters?

Should this go into the lounge or can it stay here as it is about music on KL station?

Hi Jeff (and Andy if you're still awake!)

 

I'm trying to find Compo, Clegg and Foggy for Slitheroe (visiting from nearby Holmfirth), so Nora would make a great addition! After all they did get to the NYMR. No reason why they couldn't turn up at KL for that matter! Just thinking about Nora versus Mankini Man makes me shudder!!!

 

Regards

 

Bill

Bill,

Monty's Models has several people in flat caps but not sure there is a Cmpo or Nora Batty though.  They do have Granny Dryden if she is any use.

I think the real worry would be Nora in a Mankini....

 

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Well, here is a Fish-wife

and this one for Bay-cup

There is a lace maker as well but I am not sure who would want/need her

Andy,

Just read your article in RM- good one mate. 

I loved the bit where Steve Flint said you phoned him and told him you had changed the layout and then at the end you phoned again to say that you had started an N gauge one.  You must phone him every couple of weeks! 

Have you got any more articles to write to stop you getting bored as all your modelling stuff is away?

Blimey Chris, I didn't realise I was having such an effect upon the readers of this thread!!

 

I wonder what Dr Freud would have said?

 

Anyway, thanks for pointing out a VERY important detail. The type of barn (remnant) illustrated in Scott's post (8412) certainly has no roof - though I may model a part (delapidated) roof - so your comment is brilliant. I'd probably not have thought of it.

 

Jeff

Jeff,

All sorts of stuff pops into my head in the middle of the night.  That is one reason why I hate making a decision before I have slpet on it.

Love the pictures of your walk.  We've just had a short walk around our local pond in Bracknell, not quite the same.

Al,

I had a friend at uni who in our last year did half his course in Electrical Engineering, although most of what he did was maths and soldering.  He commented that his lab partner was not very dexterous as he could not hold 5 things in his hand at once while soldering.  I replied, "John, (I did that because that was his name), you have played the organ for years and so probably have more nimble fingers than most people."  "Oh yes," he replied, "I suppose so."  The rest of us mere mortals will have to buy clamps etc.

As for limewash, that definately went out in the twenties.  I think I have found the box with the mags in.  I will see if I get time this week to go through it.

Solebar painting- if you have a prototype I would go with it, or else ask someone who was there.  There are members on the Web who were.

Update:

 

I'm currently building more cross-walling, heading in the direction of the viaduct, having modified the fell profile to be more wall-friendly!

 

I've also planned out (in outline) the build of a delapidated barn structure, as in Scott/Jason's pics earlier in the thread and the articles in BRM last year. I'll be using 3mm ply coated in DAS, with subsequent scribing. As a change from walling, I'm hoping to make a start on this during next week.

 

Jeff

Jeff,

As I lay awake last night trying to gey back to sleep my thoughts turned to modelling and it struck me that the delapidated barn that you are going to build will have no roof so the inside will be quite obvious.  If you use ply and DAS then you will need to cover both sides of the ply and also scribe it as they were rough structures with no plaster.

Sorry, I will try and think of something else next time.

Al,

If you get invaded by Warhammer I will send two of my (adult) sons to help with their combined Warhammer armies.  My Matt gave up because he always won1

Keep up the good work.  Step by step stuff is always better than, 'this is one I did earlier' and when a question is asked it is ignored.  Trust me I have read those threads.  Good modelling but not very helpful.

You mentioned soldering.  There was/is a series in BRM on all you want to know about soldering and probably the first 8 or so articles were quite good butthey have got a bit thin. I am sure that with your practical skills you should be able to solder.  The trick is holding 5 things in your hand at once and not burning yourself.

Jason,

The last time I was 'op north' which was on a bus from somewhere, (Leeds?), to Harrogate I saw both types of roofs, the sloping kind and the stepped kind.  Not sure where either type was and I realise that where it is makes a difference but both types are prototypical. 

I do know that the water goods in Tottenham in the 50s & 60s was black though, which I am sure is a lot of help. 

Jason,

It is looking the buisiness again.

Just a thought, and after Al's comment above perhaps it could be tried on the buildings that are not private dwellings.  Would it work if you painted them black and then put some gease on them which you rubbed off, then painted them in the colour you wanted.  The paint would not stick everywhere and you may get the impression of flaking paint?

Probably we are it too small a scale, and you have lots of other things to do.

Andy,

They are brilliant!  I am not sure I will ever get the courage to try backscenes as my artistist abilities are zero.

Jeff,

I have managed to look and although there are lots of entries about barns there is nothing I can find as to when they went out of use, although I would presume probably pre WW2

Jeff,

I have been watching but not commented.  I liked the original shelter because it was unusual but if it is the wrong area then obviously it is not what you want.  I do like the idea of a barn as well, they look good.  How run down were they in the 50s & 60s, remember it was over 50 years ago!  When were they taken out of use?  (I'll google it but don't hold your breath as I am busy today.)

Why not do a bit of shunting in the fiddle yard as your station sidings are not done, then add the other 4F and send it away slowly while you wall.  Take a video and Andy will be over the moon.

So, where would your dad have parked a pram?  I can't imagine getting a pram up and down those footbridge steps - not without help, anyway.

 

Did you do the conversion later?  Very popular round our way where dumps fields and waterways provided spare parts!

 

 

On the other hand, on the Bodmin and Wenford Railway, this looks the business.

 

 

 

I agree with you, Chris.  Having started with an actual event - the beginnings of the GWS - more from real life just makes sense.  And don't forget the lads on the AEC 4WD...

So, do I look out for a 4mm pram at the next exhibition?

 

Humbrol's paint for the footbridge is now on the shipping [edit] shopping list, too.  Thanks 81C. 

 

Polly

 

Apologies for the late posting - got called away to do some work on Camel Quay...

Polly,

I missed this pictures of the 'jiggers'.  Is that what you called them?  A common site when I was growing up in Tottenham.

Is there a 4mm pram?  Yes, just checked.  Langley do a pack containing two, with nurses, plus a girl pulling a trolley.  Also they do pram wheels seperately so you could have a jigger in there as well.

Have fun.

Jeff,

Where do I start?  The wall up the hill is looking good.  Don't forget to put a gate in, or at least a hole otherwise the sheep will either not get in or out! 

I was going to google trees, but Chip's ones are what I was thinking of, but more streamlined into the wind, and if you are going up yourself then you should get plenty of ideas.

Finally, the sky background looks alright, sort of, but it is blue and not grey and overcast with brooding clouds.  Which day between 1952 and 1965 were you going to model? 

I'll get me coat.  (Actually, I love brooding clouds.  I have a colleague who has a background on her computer with brooding clouds somewhere in Yorkshire over moors which looks fabulous.)

Jeff,

It must be very satisfying to look at what you have achieved so far.  It certainly does look the business.

I assume that you are going to work out which way the prevailing wind comes from before you put any trees in so that they are all windswept in the same direction?  Then you can have the sheep huddling behind things in the lee of the wind, apart from those standing on the broken wall!

I've spent the last hour or so looking through online databases for info. relating to the Midland 4F (Bachmann model).

 

I'll have 2 late crest models number 43924 and need these re-numbering to something a bit closer to the S&C (43924 = Bristol).

 

Not much directly relevant I'm afraid, given the location and time of withdrawal. The best I can do is:

 

43908    Last depot = Workington (12D) Dec 63 - Nov 64

43953          "                      "                   W/D 11/65

43963          "                      "                   W/D  11/64

43950          "                      "                   W/D  1/65

43964          "                      "                   W/D  9/65      - this was a Kirkby Stephen loco prior to Workington, so may be the hot favourite!

 

Of course, this may be verging on rivet counting!!

 

Jeff

 

Edit: Just discovered this isn't true....it was at Nottingham. Oh well!

Jeff,

I read the above and thought it was going to say 'online database of sheep'  If you do the wool on the walls are you going to do the litle black bits on the path? 

They look a bit SHINNY to me :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

 

Sheep Dog

Andy,

I didn't think it was fair to start talking about weathering sheep.  Jeff has enough on at the moment.  Also, there are probably dozens of types of sheep, including crossbreeds so that would be a study in itself so thin, dirty and the right markings will probably do, with the occasional black one.

Jeff,

The sheepfold looks good, and the sheep seem the right type, not fat Southdowns, although not sure about the black bits, but I'm more used to Welsh sheep.

Jason,

Could you glue the coal rail to the tender or am I not allowed to suggest that?

It is looking good I must say.

If you back dated your layout, and I certainly would not discourage you, you would not only need locos but coaches and goods stock as well, very little of it being R-T-R.  The amount of weathering you would need would be less though.

I know we discussed this before but it is a shame the building colours would be so different as otherwise you could have two sets of stock, people and vehicles and run them on different occasions.