Miss Prism

I think most UK girder bridges with this type of 'baulk road' construction were probably plated, for the safety of railway personnel, something like this maybe: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Paddington_platform_1_baulk_road.jpg/220px-Paddington_platform_1_baulk_road.jpg

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/57981-plate-girder-bridge/

That's so you can show off your red livery, Mikkel...

Btw, if anyone wants to identify a diagram from a running number, see Glyn Jones' excellent word doc: http://mmrs.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/GW-coach-numbers.doc

That's a nice large boulder you've thrown into the pond, Martin...

Just a note of caution on the many 3rds and Brake 3rds converted for Ambulance use in WWI. Some were not rebuilt (when returned from the war) to their original condition. See, e.g.: http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrt3031.htm

If someone wants to write me a 'Beginners guide to Great Western ladders', please feel free...

Just discovered this thread! (I thought it was only on Ian's blog.) Wow.

Howard - the primary focus of this thread is RTR. 'Stickon' panelling to a steel-sided is a non-starter. There are a bewildering array of etched things already available, and, notwithstanding the awful situation at Coopercraft, the excellent Slaters plastic kits.

Off topic, but David Geen has yet to regain access to and control of his website.

I spot an E116.

extra capacity engaged some gwr.org livery pages given a quick revamp need to do more livery drawings (gawd help any prospective RTR Toplight manufacturer!) need lots more pictures trying to work out what the makeup of the 1922 CRE might have been (Toplights, I assume, but it could be Dreadnoughts as well) must stop reading this thread, too much fun must complete a transmission diagram tonight for the Snooze

Ahem... That's another page needing a slight revamp!

Don't forget, except for the 1915/6 Ambulance conversions, the output of the Swindon carriage shops, for both construction and repainting, was negligible during WWI.

That's two livery states - the '1922' and the '1924'. (Actually three, if one includes up to July 1922 - the K22s were I think the last coaches to appear in crimson, and a few of them might have been recalled and given a new brown and cream job to accompany that summer's 'Cornish Riviera'.) Some Toplights might never have received either of the 1922 or 1924 liveries.

I would agree with Mike about plating over from c late 1930s. For RTR purposes, I think this style is a non-starter, because of the similarity in appearance to Collett stock.

Mike, I guess that is all correct from a particular modern point of view - I was merely distinguishing, simplistically, what the GWR differentiated, by virtue of its diagram types, between 'normal' passenger-carrying stock and stock designed to run with normal passenger stock but not designed to carry passengers (like Siphons). Horse boxes complicate the issue, because they were NPCCS but of course could carry human beings. TPOs are another interesting case, they carried humans but not passengers. A differentiation on the basis of gangway fitting is also somewhat fraught, because many full brakes (like a K22) were accessible to passengers passing through a train, whereas a gangwayed Siphon would be blocked to passengers as far as I know. The K diagrams were classed as 'Passenger Brake Vans'. This is a interesting can of worms! (And possibly not for this thread.)

Brian - the K22 (or any other full brake for that matter) is not NPCS.

http://www.clag.org.uk/switch-traverse.html

Big James - the Colletts were getting thin on the ground by the time the Warships appeared, which were usually rostered with (primarily) toplink Hawksworth/BR Mk1 stock/rakes.

Let's be honest, coach design wasn't exactly Churchward's strong point. The Dreadnoughts were a bit silly, and the Concertinas were a bit mad. It wasn't until the Toplights that a degree of sanity prevailed.

The water is particularly excellent.

15%?

The cappings (stone?) on the brickwork seem too thin to me.